As a leftist I am sick and tired of censorship to a point that it infuriates me. I have had so many accounts on the internet banned on just about every site that it has completely handicapped my ability to use the internet as a source of great joy of having the freedom to express myself how I want to. I know I am not the only one who is furious about this and there are many more people who feel the same way. Right wingers are expected to be fascist and oppressive and the left is supposed to be the side who is against that and yet they left is just as bad at censoring as the right is and I don't understand how more people don't recognize how bad and illogical it is. We basically have 2 sides that love to censor.

Even "X" is supposed to be against censorship and yet still practices mass censorship and I have had multiple accounts shadow banned or fully banned from there.

Why can't there be a site like Youtube or Reddit where everything that is deemed against whatever rules they have is simply just given a disclaimer that the user who wants to view it just has to agree to it that they still want to view it? It is ridiculous that anybody likes anything that is "hardcore" or "edgy" or "outside of the box" including with their music tastes or comedy tastes or political opinions or whatever else it is they have basically nowhere to go in mainstream society and censorship has basically been accepted on both sides of the political spectrum.

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[–] 3 points 2 hours ago (15 children)

Censorship is when a state or major institution (historically mostly the church) forces you to stay quiet. Not when private companies refuse to give you a podium. If you can still make your own blog with whatever opinion you have, there's no censorship.

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  • [–] 1 point 55 minutes ago

    It's censorship even when you self-censor your own speech.

    You're probably mixing this up with free speech which only defends you against prosecution for what you said but it doesn't entitle you to get a platform to say it. Social media platform kicking you out because they don't like your commentary is not infringing on your freedom of speech.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (2 children)

    So if my boss threatens my job for speech outside the work place, that’s not censorship?

    Your qualifiers are batshit insane. Your are conflating the first amendment and even doing that poorly with the church.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    So if my boss threatens my job for speech outside the work place, that’s not censorship?

    I'd say that is censorship, those are real consequences that would be enough to make people shut up. Which is very different from losing a podium by being banned from Facebook or whatever.

    I'm not American, I don't not conflate your first amendment with anything. I'm saying that being kicked from a podium for not following the rules of that podium is not censorship.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago*

    Your boss firing you for the wrong reason falls under labor law and worker protection, not censorship. Threatening you like that would be considered mobbing. I can threaten that I will beat you up if you don't delete that comment but that's also not censorship, that's harassment. To use car analogy, government refusing to give you a driving licensee would be infringing on your right to travel but me stilling your car would be simply theft. Different actions can lead to similar outcomes but they are still completely different crimes.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 2 hours ago (10 children)

    A private company doing censorship is still censorship.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago* (9 children)

    No it's not. If I run a private newspaper I decide what I want to publish or not. I don't have any obligation to publish every article sent to me. You probably understand how publishing newspaper cost money and why the owner/editor decides what goes in and what doesn't. Twitter also doesn't have any obligation to platform every comment that is published there. They pay for the infrastructure that hosts the content and they decide what to host. You can host your own mastodon instance and publish anything you wont. The government will not prevent you from doing it because that would be censorship. That's social science 101, very basic stuff.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Whether something qualifies as censorship isn't about whether a legal obligation exists to not censor.

    Censorship:

    Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are “offensive,” happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups.

    You probably understand how publishing newspaper cost money and why the owner/editor decides what goes in and what doesn’t.

    Are you familiar with how billionaires have been buying up and imposing their will on journalism on a massive scale?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 hour ago*

    You probably think this quote proves your first statement but it doesn't. Private pressure groups is not the same as private companies.

    To explain this with a simple example... Let's say I want to publish a book with homosexual character. If a private pressure group forces government to prohibit such books and the publishers are legally forbidden from publishing such book - that's censorship. If I go to a Christian publisher (private company) and they say they don't want to publish it - it's not censorship.

    If I want to publish a book telling that Obama is a pedophile a publisher (private company) can tell me they don't want to publish it - that's not censorship. If I somehow publish that book, Obama can sue me and stop distribution of that book through a court order - that's also not censorship.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 hour ago (6 children)

    Do you not even understand the post? I am not saying every single entity that exists has to be completely uncensored. I am saying every mainstream site that exists is extremely censored and I am asking why are more people not fighting back against all this censorship and making it the popular opinion that all of this censorship should not be accepted. Even youtube realized that people were looking for alternatives to their site because there is so much censorship on it so they started letting some of the people they banned off of their site back onto it......but this is one tiny compromise they did.....nowhere even close to being enough as they still massively censor.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (5 children)

    And we're trying to explain to you that it's not what censorship is. You're taking about private companies that operate as businesses, not free speech platforms. Those companies will do what brings them the most profits. If most of their users don't want to see "controversial" content they will remove it. If most users want to see it and will start moving to services where they can find it they will allow it. And yes, those companies will remove content that they think is bad for business. You're basically complaining that platforms created to push ads at people through influencers don't let you post "hardcore" and "edgy" stuff. Yeah, no shit.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

    You are too retarded to even conversate with. Censorship is censorship no matter what the excuse or reasoning is behind it and whether you think it is justified or not. Censorship is censorship.

    More people should be fighting against censorship....lots of people are sick of censorship but obviously not enough yet because mass censorship is still happening. Instead there is many retarded people like you making some of the dumbest arguments.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    Is calling people retarded the type of "edgy" content you're not allowed to post? I'm so shocked you're getting banned all the time!

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