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Where should I start when it comes to learning dialectics? (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] 5 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (5 children)

Well, the systems theory exists in part because of the cryptic philosophical traditions, and understanding the cryptic philosophical traditions allows us to recognize when someone is attempting to develop the supposed next best thing after systems theory and they just end up retreading old ground (as liberals so often do).

As well, systems theory doesn't really do much to explain how and why philosphical ideas themselves change.

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  • [–] 0 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

    systems theory exists in part because of the cryptic philosophical traditions

    I don't share this, except in as much as it depends on Judaism because it was first explicitly formulated in Abrahamic-origin societies.

    systems theory doesn't really do much to explain how and why philosphical ideas themselves change.

    Again, I don't believe that dialectical materialism naturally gives better explanations to that than, say, mechanistic materialism.

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  • [–] 6 points 22 hours ago* (3 children)

    Then we just have a fundamentally different idea of where this stuff is coming from.

    Mechanistic materialism just side steps the issue entirely. When does an idea qualitatively change? When people stop practicing the actions or when the reason they are doing something changes?

    They are functionally discussing different things, imo.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (2 children)

    When does an idea qualitatively change? When people stop practicing the actions or when the reason they are doing something changes?

    But isn't that materialism? Can you explain to me where's the dialectics in that?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    Not really. Materialism doesn't really deal with the process of how or why an idea changes. It can deal with changes in hypotheses and describe that process, but without dialectics, that would, philosophically, just be the creation of another idea, not what it actually is, the transformation of the previous idea.

    It's literally a difference in understanding the metaphysical nature of an idea is. If it sounds like an arbitrary qualifier, that is because metaphysics is mostly arbitrary qualifiers.

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