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[–] 139 points 6 days ago (27 children)

Holy shit this CEO is fully unhinged, I feel so much for the employees at Proton. What the fuck. I like Proton products T.T

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  • [–] 83 points 6 days ago* (10 children)

    I have never bought into the Proton hate seen on Lemmy, as most if not all of it came from a fundamental misunderstanding of how technology works. And if anything, this report confirms that the employees inside Proton really do seem to care about the product.

    But ultimately, if the CEO is this hostile internally, those employees will leave and the product will just enshittify at an exponential rate. This is actually some very damning insight into the future of Proton.

    Proton has a couple competitors that are viable to switch to, if not somewhat half baked next to Proton. But it’s important to understand for the people who have been berating Proton for handing over metadata to authorities and similar things, that Tutanota and other competitors will have all the same problems. Tuta is based in Germany which is a member of 14 eyes, and will if anything be more susceptible to the whims of the US government than Proton was.

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  • [–] 31 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    I don't really care if they hand metadata to authorities. I want to replace "we give you free services, in return we spy on you, then we ALSO want you to pay us later and we'll still spy on you" with "pay us for our services, we literally can't spy on you bc of encryption".

    Whoever has that will get my money, (well, except Proton because fuck that CEO).

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  • [–] 16 points 6 days ago* (5 children)

    You’d be surprised at how many people on Lemmy have decided Proton is lying to people and secretly sharing all your data with US authorities because of the handful of times they have been ordered to by law hand over metadata that does not include the content of their data.

    These people then say to ditch Proton and use Tutanota instead as if they they somehow won’t be compelled to do the exact same thing.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 days ago

    Lemmy is odd. Its more tech aware then reddit yet some how just had ignorant and stupid as reddit on tech related matters.

    I think it's just anyone who actually understands or has a reasonable take don't bother engaging with the stupid.

    While the idiots open their mouths.

    Proton ain't perfect and yen is an idiot. But some one the claims I've seen about proton baffle me.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Or to use Mullvad...

    I also would like to have a perfect VPN & mail client, but for now nothing beats proton it seems (fuck that loser CEO attitude though, what the hell).

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  • [+] -6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    It's not a misunderstanding. I hate them because they deal in crypto.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 days ago (13 children)

    Proton products have been great for me, I use them all every day. Not renewing when my sub is up and I'll quote Andy Yen as why.

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    Haven't done enough research to say yet. Others have been suggesting in the thread. Might self host my passwords. Email seems the easiest switch with the most options. Cloud storage, not sure yet; I need a decent amount of it for crucial backups.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 days ago (10 children)

    Well, that's the problem IMO, there isn't really a perfect alternative.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (9 children)

    I never claimed that there was.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 days ago (8 children)

    I didn't say you were 🤷🏼‍♀️

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (7 children)

    I suppose I'm just confused at the purpose of the sentiment, then. Not having a perfect alternative is not a good excuse to continue supporting Proton with its current leadership and direction.

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    If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (4 children)

    Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (3 children)

    ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (2 children)

    You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child)

    For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans.

    That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's.

    You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all.

    Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here.

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