▲ 511 ▼ Manifestos, Fear, and ‘Loser Thinking’: Inside Proton’s AI Reckoning (www.404media.co) submitted 6 days ago by Some_Emo_Chick@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 221 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 days ago (12 children) So what are the alternatives? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 2 points 5 days ago (11 children) Haven't done enough research to say yet. Others have been suggesting in the thread. Might self host my passwords. Email seems the easiest switch with the most options. Cloud storage, not sure yet; I need a decent amount of it for crucial backups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 days ago (10 children) Well, that's the problem IMO, there isn't really a perfect alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (9 children) I never claimed that there was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I didn't say you were 🤷🏼♀️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) I suppose I'm just confused at the purpose of the sentiment, then. Not having a perfect alternative is not a good excuse to continue supporting Proton with its current leadership and direction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) It's the best I know about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 2 points 5 days ago (11 children) Haven't done enough research to say yet. Others have been suggesting in the thread. Might self host my passwords. Email seems the easiest switch with the most options. Cloud storage, not sure yet; I need a decent amount of it for crucial backups. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 days ago (10 children) Well, that's the problem IMO, there isn't really a perfect alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (9 children) I never claimed that there was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I didn't say you were 🤷🏼♀️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) I suppose I'm just confused at the purpose of the sentiment, then. Not having a perfect alternative is not a good excuse to continue supporting Proton with its current leadership and direction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) It's the best I know about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 days ago (10 children) Well, that's the problem IMO, there isn't really a perfect alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (9 children) I never claimed that there was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I didn't say you were 🤷🏼♀️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) I suppose I'm just confused at the purpose of the sentiment, then. Not having a perfect alternative is not a good excuse to continue supporting Proton with its current leadership and direction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) It's the best I know about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (9 children) I never claimed that there was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I didn't say you were 🤷🏼♀️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) I suppose I'm just confused at the purpose of the sentiment, then. Not having a perfect alternative is not a good excuse to continue supporting Proton with its current leadership and direction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) It's the best I know about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (8 children) I didn't say you were 🤷🏼♀️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) I suppose I'm just confused at the purpose of the sentiment, then. Not having a perfect alternative is not a good excuse to continue supporting Proton with its current leadership and direction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) It's the best I know about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (7 children) I suppose I'm just confused at the purpose of the sentiment, then. Not having a perfect alternative is not a good excuse to continue supporting Proton with its current leadership and direction. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) It's the best I know about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (6 children) It's the best I know about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (5 children) If you don't take issue with the things raised in the article, then you do you. For me, they are enough for me to leave Proton. You came into this conversation asking me what alternatives I was interested in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago (4 children) Well to where then? This sounds more like a proton bash than something helpful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) ??? I already answered that 7 comments ago. You asked me for my opinions and I gave them, I'm so confused. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (2 children) You answered that you didn't know of a better alternative, but you also think people should move, which doesn't make sense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (1 child) For the record, nowhere in this conversation did I say that I think people should move. You're putting words in my mouth. I've only ever spoken about myself and my own plans. That clarified, I do think people should not support a company with leadership like Proton's. You do not need a perfect or "better" (subjective) alternative to leave Proton. If you are not willing to accept an inconvenience for a moral stance, then it is no moral stance at all. Just because I do not personally yet know what I will be switching to does not at all undermine my position. I do not think you are carrying on this conversation in good faith, so I'm going to end it here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago Yeah you could have just shut up ages ago, nothing lost but a lot of babbel. Blocked. permalink fedilink source parent