This was my central argument when they tried to take away my Firefox at work.

You know what, I’ve been a Firefox user since the days of beta Phoenix. I’ve expressed your view for years now - Firefox was great, but held back by a commercial org that wanted fancy SF offices, fancy SF compensation etc.

But I tried out Helium a little while ago and in truth, I’m not sure Firefox is all that good these days. Helium is basically ungoogled-chromium + extension support + super lean UI.

The upside is that you no longer have to contend with sites that have given up on Firefox testing. The downside is manifest v3. But all in all, I find it a better browser. Firefox is so busy telling its story, and finding revenue, that it just seems to have left behind product market fit.

There's niche WebKit browsers too, like Epiphany. Also Ladybird in development, but that went full AI slop AFAIK.

How about the KDE ones?

Safari? I'm not suggesting you use it, but it does exist.

Well, there are forks of firefox like floorp, zen, waterfox, etc. but i guess they might still count as firefox, because they are forks and not built from the ground up, only using the gecko engine from firefox.

Yeah maybe not here but sometimes I feel like it

Firefox has single-digit market share.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers