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‘Generation Right’: Israeli youth show strong support for the right (www.aljazeera.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/72815981

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[–] [S] 13 points 1 day ago* (4 children)

I don't know if you're trying to downplay the increase in rightwing-ism.

You're referencing one of the many polls that are mentioned in the article, and it's definitely worth noting that "far-right" means the likes of ben-gvir. How many would vote for the "right" like Smotrich and Bibi?

Poll shows some three quarters of Jewish first-time voters identify as right or centre-right, higher than the rest of Israeli society.

The Israeli Central Elections Committee says more than half a million voters were added to the roll since the last elections in 2022. They are aged between 18 and 22 and polls show that 80 percent of them plan to vote

Around three quarters of Jewish first-time voters polled identified as “right or centre-right”, according to a recent poll for Israel’s Channel 12.

Considering that nearly everyone in Israel's elections (even the "left of center") advocate for genocide; I don't think it's wise to dismiss the findings that the majority are voting for the right (i.e. all out genocide, expulsions, pogroms).

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    On Palestinian statehood, Golan has declared that “My vision is two states for two peoples.” In Judea and Samaria, the Democrats oppose annexation, seek expanded security coordination with the Palestinian Authority and pledge to dismantle illegal or newly approved outposts. Golan said in an interview in August that his long-term vision for separation from the Palestinians would require the eviction of as many as 100,000 Israelis from their homes.

    The party’s domestic agenda is similarly far-reaching. It proposes reversing the government’s judicial-reform legislation, including changes to judicial appointments, and amending the Nation-State Basic Law. It would enshrine additional civil and social rights, limit prime ministers to eight years in office and bar indicted ministers from serving.

    The Democrats’ approach to freedom of speech has provoked particular controversy. Golan has personally threatened the pro-Netanyahu broadcaster Channel 14 with closure. “Channel 14 will have to return to journalistic ethics—or close,” he said in September. The Israel Press Council condemned his earlier closure threat as antidemocratic and harmful to freedom of expression. Golan has also advocated closing the Bnei David pre-military academy in Eli, accusing the institution of promoting extremist nationalist views. This statement led to further condemnations from coalition and opposition parties alike in the face of Bnei David’s training of thousands of IDF combat soldiers and officers, with dozens of its graduates killed in action since Oct. 7, 2023.

    On religion and state, the Democrats seek civil marriage and divorce, recognition of non-Orthodox conversions, an end to the Chief Rabbinate’s monopoly over kosher certification, and public transportation on Shabbat, with local discretion over services. They also advocate equal marriage, adoption and surrogacy rights for same-sex couples.

    The party further proposes universal military or civilian service, with the IDF receiving first priority in selecting recruits, withdrawal of benefits from draft evaders and ending special funding arrangements for Haredi school networks that fail to teach core subjects.

    https://www.jns.org/feature/israels-political-parties-explained-the-democrats

    There's options...

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    I don't know what you're trying to whitewash here because the article and post is about the Israeli population veering further extreme right and has been for several decades (as reported by Israeli polls).

    There were communist parties running against Hitler during the elections in 1933. Doesn't change the fact that Germans voted for fascism that led to genocide.

    Also, it's interesting to highlight Yair Golan. The guy who said that Palestinian statehood is "extremely damaging to Israel".

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/democrats-chair-yair-golan-international-recognition-of-palestine-extremely-damaging-to-israel-at-this-time/

    The leader of the left-wing party has long supported a two-state solution, but “not at this time.”

    that annexing Gaza and its Palestinian population, as has been floated by the current government, is impossible: “No country in the world is ready, willing, or interested in absorbing two million Palestinians.”

    So he supports the 2SS but only on Israel's terms, when Israel wants, under Israeli military security...seems about the same decades long hollow promises from the Liberal Zionist camp that led to this point. His concern isn't about ethnic cleansing, but that it's not realistic.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    You said:

    Considering that nearly everyone in Israel’s elections (even the “left of center”) advocate for genocide

    I linked an article about a coalition formed in 2024 that is against the genocide...

    And said:

    There’s options…

    It's obvious what kind of argument you keep trying to have, but just because no one is saying what you want, doesn't mean you can just start insisting someone did.

    No one is defending Israel here, you're gonna have to go to Facebook, twitter, or reddit to find that

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 21 hours ago

    I dunno. Your initial comment seemed to be misunderstanding or misconstruing (or at worst dismissive) the data shared in the article, focusing your analysis on one point, making it inaccurate. My response was to highlight that there is more data available.

    You then didn't really consider the additional data and instead moved on to a different topic based off a part of my response which was to mention an Israeli politician (considered left). That part of my response was to show that the Left vs Right paradigm as we know it doesn't apply to Israeli politics when their center-left also advocate for genocide (which makes the fact that more Israelis identify with being right-wing all the more concerning, since even the center-left advocate for genocide).

    It was a terse response because the only interaction we've had is one where you seem to have misconstrued information and then been deflective/changed topic to something unrelated (considering that Yair Golan is not "anti-genocide" as referenced by prior points, he doesn't even have a seat in parliament). So I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.

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