▲ 526 ▼ Valve adds CD-ROM drive support to Steam Frame kernel, took less than ten minutes — update comes one day after user requests for capability in the Steam Community forum (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 5 days ago by alessandro@lemmy.ca to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -20 points 5 days ago (19 children) Free good publicity for “fixing” it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago Nothing wrong with good publicity for listening to their users. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago* (5 children) Uhm, they just did not thought of enabling the kernel module because it's an embeeded system that has no CD/DVD/BlueRay reader... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children) … it’s intended to have stuff added to it. It’s like having a modular pc without the drivers for controllers or a keyboard and mouse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (3 children) No one though of adding a CD drive to a VR apparently, which makes sense considering you are supposed to move with a VR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children) Cd drives have been usb powered for decades now, people use them on the deck, why wouldn’t they use it on VR? It’s a feature they essentially chose to remove from one device to the next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (1 child) Do you walk around while playing a game on the steam deck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* I use it to transfer cd ISOs to it while I’m not actively gaming. Why on earth would you assume it would be used for active gaming? Hardly any games run off the cd anyways, it installs to the HD since it loads in a fraction of the time. permalink fedilink source parent [+] klankin@piefed.ca -6 points 5 days ago (11 children) Good publicity from... having a bug? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago* (10 children) How’s this a bug? And cd support is the current hot issue with gaming. It’s free publicity, not many people know about it being already available and they artificially limited it. So even if people know and get it out there, the publicity generated is far more positive and washes that out. This is a common marketing tactic. They look like the good guys for adding a feature that was “requested”. Because of course people are gonna bring it up with everything going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 3 points 5 days ago (9 children) Still clearly is now an intended feature, that yeah I'd even consider it being overlooked as a bug. Assuming every single thing they do is a calculated, profit driven decision is like blaming all your bad luck on the devil, without proof youre just swatting imaginary faries. I'd be insanely surprised if like 1 TV commercial would market leagues above "some company most old people don't recognise changed something about a thing most people don't know how works. The company claims its a positive". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] IlCaviale@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) the devil IT'S NOT THE DEVIL IT'S GABE NEWELL STEAM SKIMS 15% OFF OF EVERY MARKET TRANSACTION 30% OFF OF EVERY GAME PURCHASE THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE DENOMINATED IN FUN BUCKS THAT YOU ALREADY PAID TAXES ON EVERY TIME AN ITEM CHANGES HANDS, THE FUN BUCKS DIMINISH AND VALVE KEEPS A FRACTION YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT THE FUN BUCKS FROM THEIR CIRCUIT LEGALLY, BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY A FUCKING CASINO EVERY VALVE GAME IS A STORE FRONT FOR LITERAL FUCKING NFTS AND LOOTBOXES THAT CONTAIN NFTS AND YOU GUYS KEEP SUCKING THE COCK OF A GUY WHO DOESN'T JUST OWN A YACHT BUT A YACHT COMPANY THAT HE OWNS BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE It's literally DIGITAL COIN CLIPPING permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BillionaireStew@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Also Steam acquired its user base in the first place by vendor lock-in on Quake mods. (Counter-Strike derived from Navy Seals Quake, Team Fortress was originally a Quake mod, and Half-Life is a Quake total conversion originally sold on a CD-ROM in a box.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (6 children) And this is why it works, people make excuses for them when people point this stuff out. I would be extremely disappointed with their marketing group if this didn’t come up. But sure, it’s a “bug” since it’s “now” an intended feature and they get credit for fixing it. That’s incredibly backwards thinking. You’re making my case for me, while defending this corporation. It’s crazy how apparantly only Valve is somehow immune to this here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago (5 children) So what's the marketing team say when 1500 indexes join a botnet cause they didn't properly audit the CDrom code? Really worth the potential 3 extra sales, by ruining your entire reputation as youre trying to build it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children) Hyperbole is not a good look, especially when you’re clearly using fake numbers to make it so lopsided in your favor. Clearly it was so easy they could do it so fast (article specifieds 10 minutes even for you….), so why didn’t they? It couldn’t have been for an audit, and if it was, that wasn’t that robust of one of its out so fast now isn’t it? I wouldn’t trust a 10 minute audit, that’s nuts. Quit making excuses for them. And as I said it’s a common marketing tactic, guerilla marketing uses the exact process you’re decrying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago Nothing wrong with good publicity for listening to their users. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago* (5 children) Uhm, they just did not thought of enabling the kernel module because it's an embeeded system that has no CD/DVD/BlueRay reader... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children) … it’s intended to have stuff added to it. It’s like having a modular pc without the drivers for controllers or a keyboard and mouse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (3 children) No one though of adding a CD drive to a VR apparently, which makes sense considering you are supposed to move with a VR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children) Cd drives have been usb powered for decades now, people use them on the deck, why wouldn’t they use it on VR? It’s a feature they essentially chose to remove from one device to the next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (1 child) Do you walk around while playing a game on the steam deck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* I use it to transfer cd ISOs to it while I’m not actively gaming. Why on earth would you assume it would be used for active gaming? Hardly any games run off the cd anyways, it installs to the HD since it loads in a fraction of the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children) … it’s intended to have stuff added to it. It’s like having a modular pc without the drivers for controllers or a keyboard and mouse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (3 children) No one though of adding a CD drive to a VR apparently, which makes sense considering you are supposed to move with a VR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children) Cd drives have been usb powered for decades now, people use them on the deck, why wouldn’t they use it on VR? It’s a feature they essentially chose to remove from one device to the next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (1 child) Do you walk around while playing a game on the steam deck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* I use it to transfer cd ISOs to it while I’m not actively gaming. Why on earth would you assume it would be used for active gaming? Hardly any games run off the cd anyways, it installs to the HD since it loads in a fraction of the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 4 days ago (3 children) No one though of adding a CD drive to a VR apparently, which makes sense considering you are supposed to move with a VR permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children) Cd drives have been usb powered for decades now, people use them on the deck, why wouldn’t they use it on VR? It’s a feature they essentially chose to remove from one device to the next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (1 child) Do you walk around while playing a game on the steam deck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* I use it to transfer cd ISOs to it while I’m not actively gaming. Why on earth would you assume it would be used for active gaming? Hardly any games run off the cd anyways, it installs to the HD since it loads in a fraction of the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children) Cd drives have been usb powered for decades now, people use them on the deck, why wouldn’t they use it on VR? It’s a feature they essentially chose to remove from one device to the next. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (1 child) Do you walk around while playing a game on the steam deck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* I use it to transfer cd ISOs to it while I’m not actively gaming. Why on earth would you assume it would be used for active gaming? Hardly any games run off the cd anyways, it installs to the HD since it loads in a fraction of the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 4 days ago (1 child) Do you walk around while playing a game on the steam deck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* I use it to transfer cd ISOs to it while I’m not actively gaming. Why on earth would you assume it would be used for active gaming? Hardly any games run off the cd anyways, it installs to the HD since it loads in a fraction of the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago* I use it to transfer cd ISOs to it while I’m not actively gaming. Why on earth would you assume it would be used for active gaming? Hardly any games run off the cd anyways, it installs to the HD since it loads in a fraction of the time. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] klankin@piefed.ca -6 points 5 days ago (11 children) Good publicity from... having a bug? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago* (10 children) How’s this a bug? And cd support is the current hot issue with gaming. It’s free publicity, not many people know about it being already available and they artificially limited it. So even if people know and get it out there, the publicity generated is far more positive and washes that out. This is a common marketing tactic. They look like the good guys for adding a feature that was “requested”. Because of course people are gonna bring it up with everything going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 3 points 5 days ago (9 children) Still clearly is now an intended feature, that yeah I'd even consider it being overlooked as a bug. Assuming every single thing they do is a calculated, profit driven decision is like blaming all your bad luck on the devil, without proof youre just swatting imaginary faries. I'd be insanely surprised if like 1 TV commercial would market leagues above "some company most old people don't recognise changed something about a thing most people don't know how works. The company claims its a positive". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] IlCaviale@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) the devil IT'S NOT THE DEVIL IT'S GABE NEWELL STEAM SKIMS 15% OFF OF EVERY MARKET TRANSACTION 30% OFF OF EVERY GAME PURCHASE THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE DENOMINATED IN FUN BUCKS THAT YOU ALREADY PAID TAXES ON EVERY TIME AN ITEM CHANGES HANDS, THE FUN BUCKS DIMINISH AND VALVE KEEPS A FRACTION YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT THE FUN BUCKS FROM THEIR CIRCUIT LEGALLY, BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY A FUCKING CASINO EVERY VALVE GAME IS A STORE FRONT FOR LITERAL FUCKING NFTS AND LOOTBOXES THAT CONTAIN NFTS AND YOU GUYS KEEP SUCKING THE COCK OF A GUY WHO DOESN'T JUST OWN A YACHT BUT A YACHT COMPANY THAT HE OWNS BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE It's literally DIGITAL COIN CLIPPING permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BillionaireStew@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Also Steam acquired its user base in the first place by vendor lock-in on Quake mods. (Counter-Strike derived from Navy Seals Quake, Team Fortress was originally a Quake mod, and Half-Life is a Quake total conversion originally sold on a CD-ROM in a box.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (6 children) And this is why it works, people make excuses for them when people point this stuff out. I would be extremely disappointed with their marketing group if this didn’t come up. But sure, it’s a “bug” since it’s “now” an intended feature and they get credit for fixing it. That’s incredibly backwards thinking. You’re making my case for me, while defending this corporation. It’s crazy how apparantly only Valve is somehow immune to this here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago (5 children) So what's the marketing team say when 1500 indexes join a botnet cause they didn't properly audit the CDrom code? Really worth the potential 3 extra sales, by ruining your entire reputation as youre trying to build it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children) Hyperbole is not a good look, especially when you’re clearly using fake numbers to make it so lopsided in your favor. Clearly it was so easy they could do it so fast (article specifieds 10 minutes even for you….), so why didn’t they? It couldn’t have been for an audit, and if it was, that wasn’t that robust of one of its out so fast now isn’t it? I wouldn’t trust a 10 minute audit, that’s nuts. Quit making excuses for them. And as I said it’s a common marketing tactic, guerilla marketing uses the exact process you’re decrying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 5 days ago* (10 children) How’s this a bug? And cd support is the current hot issue with gaming. It’s free publicity, not many people know about it being already available and they artificially limited it. So even if people know and get it out there, the publicity generated is far more positive and washes that out. This is a common marketing tactic. They look like the good guys for adding a feature that was “requested”. Because of course people are gonna bring it up with everything going on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 3 points 5 days ago (9 children) Still clearly is now an intended feature, that yeah I'd even consider it being overlooked as a bug. Assuming every single thing they do is a calculated, profit driven decision is like blaming all your bad luck on the devil, without proof youre just swatting imaginary faries. I'd be insanely surprised if like 1 TV commercial would market leagues above "some company most old people don't recognise changed something about a thing most people don't know how works. The company claims its a positive". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] IlCaviale@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) the devil IT'S NOT THE DEVIL IT'S GABE NEWELL STEAM SKIMS 15% OFF OF EVERY MARKET TRANSACTION 30% OFF OF EVERY GAME PURCHASE THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE DENOMINATED IN FUN BUCKS THAT YOU ALREADY PAID TAXES ON EVERY TIME AN ITEM CHANGES HANDS, THE FUN BUCKS DIMINISH AND VALVE KEEPS A FRACTION YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT THE FUN BUCKS FROM THEIR CIRCUIT LEGALLY, BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY A FUCKING CASINO EVERY VALVE GAME IS A STORE FRONT FOR LITERAL FUCKING NFTS AND LOOTBOXES THAT CONTAIN NFTS AND YOU GUYS KEEP SUCKING THE COCK OF A GUY WHO DOESN'T JUST OWN A YACHT BUT A YACHT COMPANY THAT HE OWNS BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE It's literally DIGITAL COIN CLIPPING permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BillionaireStew@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Also Steam acquired its user base in the first place by vendor lock-in on Quake mods. (Counter-Strike derived from Navy Seals Quake, Team Fortress was originally a Quake mod, and Half-Life is a Quake total conversion originally sold on a CD-ROM in a box.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (6 children) And this is why it works, people make excuses for them when people point this stuff out. I would be extremely disappointed with their marketing group if this didn’t come up. But sure, it’s a “bug” since it’s “now” an intended feature and they get credit for fixing it. That’s incredibly backwards thinking. You’re making my case for me, while defending this corporation. It’s crazy how apparantly only Valve is somehow immune to this here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago (5 children) So what's the marketing team say when 1500 indexes join a botnet cause they didn't properly audit the CDrom code? Really worth the potential 3 extra sales, by ruining your entire reputation as youre trying to build it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children) Hyperbole is not a good look, especially when you’re clearly using fake numbers to make it so lopsided in your favor. Clearly it was so easy they could do it so fast (article specifieds 10 minutes even for you….), so why didn’t they? It couldn’t have been for an audit, and if it was, that wasn’t that robust of one of its out so fast now isn’t it? I wouldn’t trust a 10 minute audit, that’s nuts. Quit making excuses for them. And as I said it’s a common marketing tactic, guerilla marketing uses the exact process you’re decrying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] klankin@piefed.ca 3 points 5 days ago (9 children) Still clearly is now an intended feature, that yeah I'd even consider it being overlooked as a bug. Assuming every single thing they do is a calculated, profit driven decision is like blaming all your bad luck on the devil, without proof youre just swatting imaginary faries. I'd be insanely surprised if like 1 TV commercial would market leagues above "some company most old people don't recognise changed something about a thing most people don't know how works. The company claims its a positive". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] IlCaviale@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) the devil IT'S NOT THE DEVIL IT'S GABE NEWELL STEAM SKIMS 15% OFF OF EVERY MARKET TRANSACTION 30% OFF OF EVERY GAME PURCHASE THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE DENOMINATED IN FUN BUCKS THAT YOU ALREADY PAID TAXES ON EVERY TIME AN ITEM CHANGES HANDS, THE FUN BUCKS DIMINISH AND VALVE KEEPS A FRACTION YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT THE FUN BUCKS FROM THEIR CIRCUIT LEGALLY, BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY A FUCKING CASINO EVERY VALVE GAME IS A STORE FRONT FOR LITERAL FUCKING NFTS AND LOOTBOXES THAT CONTAIN NFTS AND YOU GUYS KEEP SUCKING THE COCK OF A GUY WHO DOESN'T JUST OWN A YACHT BUT A YACHT COMPANY THAT HE OWNS BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE It's literally DIGITAL COIN CLIPPING permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BillionaireStew@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Also Steam acquired its user base in the first place by vendor lock-in on Quake mods. (Counter-Strike derived from Navy Seals Quake, Team Fortress was originally a Quake mod, and Half-Life is a Quake total conversion originally sold on a CD-ROM in a box.) permalink fedilink source parent [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (6 children) And this is why it works, people make excuses for them when people point this stuff out. I would be extremely disappointed with their marketing group if this didn’t come up. But sure, it’s a “bug” since it’s “now” an intended feature and they get credit for fixing it. That’s incredibly backwards thinking. You’re making my case for me, while defending this corporation. It’s crazy how apparantly only Valve is somehow immune to this here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago (5 children) So what's the marketing team say when 1500 indexes join a botnet cause they didn't properly audit the CDrom code? Really worth the potential 3 extra sales, by ruining your entire reputation as youre trying to build it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children) Hyperbole is not a good look, especially when you’re clearly using fake numbers to make it so lopsided in your favor. Clearly it was so easy they could do it so fast (article specifieds 10 minutes even for you….), so why didn’t they? It couldn’t have been for an audit, and if it was, that wasn’t that robust of one of its out so fast now isn’t it? I wouldn’t trust a 10 minute audit, that’s nuts. Quit making excuses for them. And as I said it’s a common marketing tactic, guerilla marketing uses the exact process you’re decrying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IlCaviale@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) the devil IT'S NOT THE DEVIL IT'S GABE NEWELL STEAM SKIMS 15% OFF OF EVERY MARKET TRANSACTION 30% OFF OF EVERY GAME PURCHASE THOSE TRANSACTIONS ARE DENOMINATED IN FUN BUCKS THAT YOU ALREADY PAID TAXES ON EVERY TIME AN ITEM CHANGES HANDS, THE FUN BUCKS DIMINISH AND VALVE KEEPS A FRACTION YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT THE FUN BUCKS FROM THEIR CIRCUIT LEGALLY, BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY A FUCKING CASINO EVERY VALVE GAME IS A STORE FRONT FOR LITERAL FUCKING NFTS AND LOOTBOXES THAT CONTAIN NFTS AND YOU GUYS KEEP SUCKING THE COCK OF A GUY WHO DOESN'T JUST OWN A YACHT BUT A YACHT COMPANY THAT HE OWNS BECAUSE OF THE ABOVE It's literally DIGITAL COIN CLIPPING permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BillionaireStew@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Also Steam acquired its user base in the first place by vendor lock-in on Quake mods. (Counter-Strike derived from Navy Seals Quake, Team Fortress was originally a Quake mod, and Half-Life is a Quake total conversion originally sold on a CD-ROM in a box.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BillionaireStew@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago Also Steam acquired its user base in the first place by vendor lock-in on Quake mods. (Counter-Strike derived from Navy Seals Quake, Team Fortress was originally a Quake mod, and Half-Life is a Quake total conversion originally sold on a CD-ROM in a box.) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (6 children) And this is why it works, people make excuses for them when people point this stuff out. I would be extremely disappointed with their marketing group if this didn’t come up. But sure, it’s a “bug” since it’s “now” an intended feature and they get credit for fixing it. That’s incredibly backwards thinking. You’re making my case for me, while defending this corporation. It’s crazy how apparantly only Valve is somehow immune to this here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago (5 children) So what's the marketing team say when 1500 indexes join a botnet cause they didn't properly audit the CDrom code? Really worth the potential 3 extra sales, by ruining your entire reputation as youre trying to build it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children) Hyperbole is not a good look, especially when you’re clearly using fake numbers to make it so lopsided in your favor. Clearly it was so easy they could do it so fast (article specifieds 10 minutes even for you….), so why didn’t they? It couldn’t have been for an audit, and if it was, that wasn’t that robust of one of its out so fast now isn’t it? I wouldn’t trust a 10 minute audit, that’s nuts. Quit making excuses for them. And as I said it’s a common marketing tactic, guerilla marketing uses the exact process you’re decrying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] klankin@piefed.ca -1 points 5 days ago (5 children) So what's the marketing team say when 1500 indexes join a botnet cause they didn't properly audit the CDrom code? Really worth the potential 3 extra sales, by ruining your entire reputation as youre trying to build it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children) Hyperbole is not a good look, especially when you’re clearly using fake numbers to make it so lopsided in your favor. Clearly it was so easy they could do it so fast (article specifieds 10 minutes even for you….), so why didn’t they? It couldn’t have been for an audit, and if it was, that wasn’t that robust of one of its out so fast now isn’t it? I wouldn’t trust a 10 minute audit, that’s nuts. Quit making excuses for them. And as I said it’s a common marketing tactic, guerilla marketing uses the exact process you’re decrying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago* (4 children) Hyperbole is not a good look, especially when you’re clearly using fake numbers to make it so lopsided in your favor. Clearly it was so easy they could do it so fast (article specifieds 10 minutes even for you….), so why didn’t they? It couldn’t have been for an audit, and if it was, that wasn’t that robust of one of its out so fast now isn’t it? I wouldn’t trust a 10 minute audit, that’s nuts. Quit making excuses for them. And as I said it’s a common marketing tactic, guerilla marketing uses the exact process you’re decrying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] klankin@piefed.ca 1 point 5 days ago (3 children) Why not? Hyperboles are a literary tool, and meant to be used. Unfortunately its as off topic as your random hate for companies and literary structure, so I'm a bit hesitant to continue this debate. That being said I'd assume it was in their test suite considering their haste. Doing things the wrong way will always be cheaper, Elon had the same argument as you when he used a padlock to secure a datacenter worth of confidential twitter data. It makes money immediately, but anyone with a 2and grade education realises time exists beyond the next quarterly report. Properly auditing and testing software takes time, looks like shit quarterly, and develops a long term following leading to stable profits. I see no reason for Steam to have changed from this path. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (2 children) Hyperbole using extremes at both ends to bias a point is a fallacy and not conversing in good faith. It’s a tool when used correctly, you have not. You’ve never heard of guerrilla marketing before have you? This isn’t something new that they’ve done, why do you think it can be called out, theres even wikipedia pages where you can see examples of other companies doing this. You’re not seriously thinking I’m coming up with this new novel never heard of thing before…. Are you…? Because that’s just clearly foolish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] klankin@piefed.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Wait so its incorrect to say "its as hot as hell in here"? I'm explicitly implying it is truly hot as hell, while not even addressing the possibility its cold as shit as well. Hell I'm not even using it to describe the fallacy that it is, in fact, not hot as hell, as hell may not even exist physically - much less have an average atomic kinetic energy. Or maybe were both just being pedantic dicks cause were incorrect in our original claim? Damn I gotta get back to English class permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 5 days ago So that’s a yes to you don’t know what guerilla marketing is and you refuse to educate yourself. permalink fedilink source parent