I am in a senior level undergrad seminar course focusing on the environmental history of imperialism in Africa. We are reviewing each other's introductions. They can't write folks. They just can't write. These people are graduating with me. Sometimes they are even getting the same degree as me and I feel like I am reading a highschooler's essay they wrote in an hour! I genuinely do not believe they even proof read this once. I can forgive the sentences that say nothing and the paragraph that don't say much more than the sentences. But I cannot forgive the abominable grammar and spelling.

God it just fills me with dread. Maybe I just got the worst peer reviews. Maybe the other people in this course have better writing but there are only 14 people and I reviewed 3 of them.

I'm trying so hard to be productively critical but if I were to honestly offer every critique I had they would need a new essay. I would look like such an immense asshole if I put every correction I think NEEDS to be made. Not even including the changes that should be made. I have to keep reminding myself that I can't save them. Nothing I do here is going to teach them effective writing. I am consoling myself with the idea that they wrote this in an hour or two before the deadline with 0 research having been done.

I just, idk comrades. It's bleak. I think I'm gonna grab a beer for this next one.

Edit: the beer is helping

edit edit: decades of passive voice usage has had severe consequences. I am begging my fellows students to use an active voice, absolutely begging.

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[–] 8 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Tbh I think the sentences that say nothing are more unforgivable than people not being very proficient at spelling, especially about such an interesting and important topic. Like we all make grammatical and spelling mistakes. And as someone else pointed out, at least you know that the students didn't just have a LLM write it for them.

My experience has been that missing a minimum word count is treated worse than adding some filler. I guess it makes sense to require a word count from people learning to write but at some point this needs to be unlearned again when people write more than they have to say.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    Yes, this is a major contributor. I teach a scientific writing class, and we spend the first several weeks work shopping a single piece of theirs from 750 words down to (eventually) 250 words. They have to unlearn the habit of saying everything in the longest, fluffiest, emptiest way possible. They developed that habit because most of their English assignments have heavily penalized them for only having 8 pages of stuff to say for a 10 page assignment. It's second nature by this point, and it makes for very bad writing. They're shocked to have to deal with maximum word counts instead of minimum, as well as by how much better (and shorter) their writing gets when you remove all the "of course, under some circumstances, it may well be true that..." style constructions.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I guess my college might have been particularly bad in that regard. We had some presentation about what was expected and a single assignment to submit something bachelor thesis shaped in the semester before graduation.

    We were also told to write English because it makes gendering easier than in German which we were required to get right but were never taught.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    We were also told to write English because it makes gendering easier than in German which we were required to get right but were never taught.

    English also has way fewer cases, so points for that

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Gender neutral language is so much easier in English. Just a few pronouns here an there and avoiding a couple gendered terms. In German every noun is gendered and you need to take extra care when using nouns that refer to people/roles (which are most of the time grammatically male by default) when you want to write neutral. SerialExperimentsGay wrote a good explanation once.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 week ago

    When I started my history degree I was overzealous and took an upper level course my first semester. For our first writing assignment we had to summarize a dense historical text in no more than 2000 words and it nearly killed me. It was my first time having to make my writing as efficient as possible and I wasn't ready for that.

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