1. Why does everyone drive 10-15 miles above the speed limit?

  2. Why don't we raise the speed limit if that's how fast everyone wants to go?

  3. Why is traffic enforcement given to very expensive and ineffective police instead of cheaper and more automated traffic cameras?

  4. Why do we refuse to ever use ANY traffic calming measures? Yes, than you flashing digital sign for telling me I'm going 10 miles above the limit on this incredibly wide and straight and flat road with high curbs and perfect visibility.

It's a serious confusion I have about how society is supposed to operate because it seems like a complete and total breakdown of logic and sense.

And, yes, I know there's some thing people did long ago to set the speed limit at some percentile of what people were already traveling at, but that's obviously a stupid way to do it and we did it anyway. So why?

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[–] 1 point 52 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago) (3 children)

Yes and no — there are basic rules with basic margins of error — but as you point out, there’s also political forces that have nothing to do with safety.

In a straight flat road with no other vulnerable road users, the safety margin between 40 and 60 in a modern car is negligible. But on that same road the margin between 60 and 80 is not.

And places change — what was once an isolated country road can easily become a suburban junction. Your example of a child getting hit can either be political reaction, or a lagging indicator that children have become more common in that place.

Edit: the counter point to “oh the state just wants money” is that the state has to pay for roads, and people hate paying taxes. Maybe instead of playing games with fines, voters should just pay for the public services they want? That is part of the reason enforcement is not more serious in many places — it’s not be because voters care about safety — they just don’t like paying fines for rules they chose to break.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 47 minutes ago (2 children)

    My complaint is a road the goes from 25 to 30 to 35 to 30 all in a few miles despite their being no appreciable differences in any of the spans. Like, what the fuck? Just make it thirty. Nobody but me is paying any attention to that shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 38 minutes ago* (1 child)

    Those cases are almost certainly because someone set a standard for roll, visibility, and reaction times relative to weather — because an objective reason is better than no reason. You have to account for cars that aren’t yours, people who don’t see as well as you, weather that isn’t today, and visibility that isn’t now.

    The speed limit changes didn’t make sense to you at that time, and they were maybe was set to an older standard for vehicular performance, but it was set for a reason.

    For example do those roads allow bicyclists? If so you need to add margin for error that the vehicle in front of you behind a blind corner is going a lot slower than you anticipate. Vulnerable road users are still road users.

    I have worked for almost 10 years around road safety.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 34 minutes ago

    Yes, you sound like an engineer that is frustrated their work isn't being properly appreciated.

    My point is when I hit the brakes at a lower speed change, I am always met with bewilderment from the cars behind me. So I think frequent speed limit changes probably don't do anything but drive revenue.

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