With Linux going the slop route, I've been thinking of switching to NetBSD which says (so far) they won't admit AI-generated code. I even tried making the switch earlier today, but it doesn't support my wifi card, so I want to be able to write a diver for it. I've done a little bit of osdev and worked some on emulators, so I think I have the ability, just not the knowledge yet. How do I get immersed in the code? Do I just pick a source file and start reading? I am decent with C code, so that's not a huge concern for me, I don't think.

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[–] 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

The crisis befalling the Linux kernel is not technical in nature. It is a social crisis. Switching to NetBSD is a technical solution which does not address the root cause of the problem. NetBSD likely has only avoided the slop so far because the project is not economically interesting, but if it evolves into a broadly viable alternative to Linux, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD, that interest will materialize and the project will suffer the same fate. It is already concerning that they do not reject slop on ideological grounds. The status quo is that they simply haven't accepted any yet. The gears of co-option are already turning, with the project accepting grants from FUTO for instance. This isn't to say that they are compromised or evil or anything like that, but it is a concern.

The solution to this crisis requires organization. New organizations which embrace a naked antipathy towards capitalism, to seize the mantle which has been abdicated by the sclerotic FSF, SFC, and company. The path forward very well might be NetBSD, or it might be a hard fork of the Linux kernel. The problem of user-space remains, so it is necessary for the movement to be much larger in scope than simply a kernel. Fortunately, I am hearing these concerns voiced by a lot of people who are absolutely dismayed by the trajectory of the Free Software movement.

All that said, I hope you have success. Whether the future lies in NetBSD or Linux, we will need all of the hands to build the alternative. I myself have been checking out NetBSD with interest recently (and other wacky alternatives like Redox OS) for the same reasons, though I haven't been able to boot the installer on my physical machine. (I got it. I had to use a different USB, and I also needed to manually run NetBSD's fsck on the EFI partition I originally created when installing Gentoo a long time ago)

I too am keeping my ear to the ground, to try and see where it might be useful to contribute. I am pretty much only a hobbyist though.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Positive update on the FUTO situation: https://mastodon.sdf.org/@netbsd/117464275119384776

    NetBSD Foundation: Hey, just to clear this situation up:

    We received the donation out of the blue with no knowledge of who these people are. We don't have any communication with them and don't know what (if anything) they want from us. Maybe they just want more traffic to their site, which is mostly about software.

    Our rule is donations cannot come with restrictions/requirements/influence other than we add a logo to our site. They requested this. At the moment we have to follow our own bureaucratic rules.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    great comment. what do you mean by "the problem of user-space"? i understand that linux is "just" a kernel where something like FreeBSD is an OS where both sides are developed in harmony so to speak. do you think GNU userland not fit for purpose or see it as under similar threat as the kernel? would love to hear more of your thoughts.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Userland (whether GNU or alternatives) is vulnerable to the same pressures. The only thing unique about the Linux kernel is that it is indespensible (hence the existential dread). A lot of major projects have already embraced the same LLM-driven development process as Linux (though it is particularly egregious in Linux). Aside from the kernel, the task of putting together a slop-free distribution today is very challenging (nothing like this exists, except for some highly experimental and incomplete projects like Hyperbola). It requires the sacrifice of a lot of tools which we have grown accustomed to. It is something like a regression to the state of free software computing 20 years ago.

    The same problem applies to the BSDs, because even if the base system is clean (say, if NetBSD maintains the status quo, or embraces an explicit no AI policy going forward), people rely on ports (packages) to do anything serious with their computers, which are the same programs people run on Linux. Your web browsers, text editors, window managers, word processors, password managers, graphic design tools, etc. Also a lot of plumbing falls into this category, like system libraries, image/video/audio codecs, programming languages, build systems, databases, webservers, middleware, etc.

    You can have your perfectly slop-free operating system with new drivers to leverage the latest hardware, but you're still stuck with no alternative to Firefox.

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