Same. I'm not in any way sympathetic to the processed food industry, but I think the nova system is scientifically un-rigorous, even in the low standards of nutrition science.

Experts in the field struggle to classify foods into processed versus ultra-processed, because on the face of the definition, it is imprecise and difficult to apply to some of the most commonly eaten foods in the world, prepared in many of the same ways that have been happening for centuries or millennia: bread, cheese, yogurt, pickles, fruit preserves.

It's a bad system, and people who are concerned about processed foods should study the actual ingredients involved.