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[–] 4 points 6 days ago (4 children)

There is a lot of truth to what you say about the CIA, but I don't see how the point can be both chaos as well as drawing Europe away from Russia. You can't have it both ways.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    But that's exactly what happened. German manufacturing was dependent on Russian oil, and that was a central spoke to all of the EU's economy. Within the chaos of the past 4 years, the EU has economically moved away from Russia and towards dependence on US fuel imports.

    US foreign policy since the end of WW2 is "destabilize a region then use the US economy to realign countries to the US's interests." Break something, then get paid to fix it. Just like the mafia.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    But that would imply a strategy to the chaos rather than chaos being the point.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago

    Chaos is the strategy in so far as the goal is simply to break as many things as possible with the hope that the thing you want to have happen happens, but still take advantage of the way they have broken. Strategic chaos is different than 'randomness'.

    They wanted to collapse Russia's economy, and the whole strategy involved doing so. Part of doing that required severing Europe from Russia. However, when that happened and Russia's economy did not collapse, they pretty much immediately pivoted to exploiting European weakness.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 days ago*

    You, in fact, can have it both ways. Especially since neither objective explicitly contradicts the other. If you keep thinking in terms of straightline Point A to Point B objectives, you aren't getting into the CIA mindset. These people are social engineers, first and foremost, and engineering is about weighing things in your favor, but being able to problem solve and work through the inevitable complications.

    Chaos is what creates fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Fear, uncertainty and doubt around the idea, for example, that Russia wants to 'invade Europe', an idea that has been in the full-court press on all of European mainstream media (all of which has been affiliated with U.S. intelligence ops since WWII), even though that has never been a part of any known plan or military formation of modern Russia. So you weren't able to punish Russia and collapse it's economy, but the natural gas people still want to make money? Cut the pipeline, and make the Europeans pay for your natural gas. Want to galvanize U.S. manufacturing and machine creation? Place tariffs on turn-key machines from Europe and compound that with the increase in natural gas prices.

    Crisis creates opportunities for the vultures to feast.

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