Have been a huge fan since the early days. Was super excited to finally see them at Aftershock this year and it was a huge let down. Maynard was hiding somewhere on stage while the rest of the band just stood there playing.

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[–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

Define sucks a little more precisely?

See, I would assume you mean that their musicianship is lacking live. Which is entirely possible, I'm not quibbling on that as I'm not into the band enough to have watched a ton it their live stuff to form a useful opinion at all.

But the way you described how they suck is about one member not being up front and visible. Again, I've never seen them live in person, nor watched a ton.

But I'm not sure that the lack of stage presence = suck. It sure can contribute to sucking live, but it isn't what I'd say is the determining factor.

It's like when someone big name in pop does a complicated and intense dance routine that's impossible to sing through. Is that a good live performance or a sucky one? I err on the side of it being a good show if it isn't all they do. The inverse is also true, that if all they do is sit on a stool and absolutely nail the music, it's a good show.

It puts me in mind of Iron Maiden too. Even when they're having a rough go of it musically, they can make up for it with giant Eddie and awesome lights and pyro and you still walk out happy enough even though Bruce was almost croaking (fear of the dark tour was exactly like that when I went lol). But when they're on point and the flashy stuff is there, it's a fucking spiritual experience.

My impression of tool is that they err on the side of musicianship first, and anything else is secondary. Was that maybe what you experienced?

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    I agree with OP, a live act should have a commitment to entertaining people. To me that is the difference between a good and bad live band. So the best live show I ever saw was Fela, and not because the band was tight, though it was. He brought a corps of African dancers, a full horn section, and the best performance I have ever seen. Worst was REM when they were starting out (I didn't go see them after that) and Young the Giant when they were starting out (they got so much better later, we saw them again and it was such a good show). Because they just sort of stood there. Hayes Carll and Paul Thorn are great to see live because they tell stories and are really funny. J Roddy Walston won our hearts the first time we saw them, ginger madman at the piano.

    Recorded music is art but live music is performance art and entertainment. I don't think it's reasonable to say that because a band sounds great live, that makes it a good performance. That's a baseline (ha) not a goal.

    Tool, the singer is known for being actively hostile to performing. A good sound and a dull show does still mean it's a sucky performance, I think.

    I don't like performing either, but when my belly dance teacher dragged me along with her to paid gigs (because I could dance) you better believe I engaged with the audience, that IS the job, and that audience generally didn't even pay to be there. She said stage fright was selfishness - that your job was to give a performance, that it was about giving something to the audience, not being perfect - she would say it's not about us it's about them. If that is true dancing for a party, it's a hundred times more true for an act people paid a hundred dollars to see.

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