you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 5 points 1 day ago* (9 children)

Yes, a centralized currency can have consumer protections. What about the flip side, protection from the central bank? A central bank can restore your balance under fraud, they can also fraudulently steal your balance. Central banks also get to dictate who/what you get to spend your money on. Which is why blockchain is popular with those who oppose fascists. The government doesn’t like Wikileaks, well, they get to block payments.

Countries manage currencies for their own ends, not for the benefit on its citizens. Plus, how much violence is the central bank willing to inflict to fulfill its ends? Your whole post ignores the long history of truly awful behavior from governments in order to keep the power of money under their control.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 9 child comments
  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (8 children)

    What about the flip side, protection from the central bank? A central bank can restore your balance under fraud, they can also fraudulently steal your balance.

    I'll make a very simple argument here, don't elect corrupt officials who use institutions meant to work for you against you. You may not like that argument and that's fine because I'm not here to argue that argument. Instead we're going to discuss what is you argument when the centralized cabal of your blockchain currency steals your balance? Outside of forking the chain and hoping it gets accepted you've got nothing. You don't get to choose who takes over and you have no way of holding them accountable.

    Before you claim this is impossible go look up Steem. That chain got hard forked into Steem and Hive and of the two Steem, which experienced a hostile takeover, is doing better than Hive, the community fork. People who opposed Steem got cut from the chain. Now, if crypto was a real currency for the sake of stability one of the two forks would have to be chosen (otherwise you end up with fork after fork), who is to say your money won't just get wiped because you ended up on the wrong side of the fork? Who is going to give you that money back? The same way your money gets wiped whatever transaction you want to do can also get wiped if whoever controls the chain decides so.

    And I'll reiterate. My point wasn't that FIAT currencies are the best thing ever, my point was that they're better than the blockchain alternative because you end up with all the bad of the FIAT currency with none of the good.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 8 child comments
  • Also, crypto and blockchain has an ENORMOUS negative ecological and energetic impact; I think that AIs are worse on that, but I'd still say that if AIs are the number one, cryptos are the number two.

    And then you have the worst part: incel cryptobros, the face of crypto. And with them, lots of scams (even within stablished coins), sects and all kind of grotesque things like that.

    Moreover, crypto is somewhat exclusionary and elitist, because it assumes that you have a somewhat decent hardware that, with the current hardware problems, isn't the case anymore for almost anyone, and even before that, a lot of folks hadn't the opportunity. Yet it's said to be democratic and free (as in Freedom). There's a clear contradiction.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    It is easy to claim don’t elect corrupt officials except governments all around the world are corrupt. Government corruption is the common outcome, not a rare occurrence.

    If a blockchain gets forked people who held coins before the fork now have coins in both forks. Your story involves a fundamental misunderstanding.

    Yeah, no.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Excellent reading comprehension on your part.

    It is easy to claim don’t elect corrupt officials except governments all around the world are corrupt. Government corruption is the common outcome, not a rare occurrence.

    Now what did I say about that? Oh right:

    You may not like that argument and that’s fine because I’m not here to argue that argument. Instead we’re going to discuss what is you argument when the centralized cabal of your blockchain currency steals your balance?

    What else did you have?

    If a blockchain gets forked people who held coins before the fork now have coins in both forks. Your story involves a fundamental misunderstanding.

    Hmm, seems like I also addressed that.

    People who opposed Steem got cut from the chain.

    I wonder what I meant by that? Could it be that it means the people who opposed Steem had their entire balance wiped from the Steem side of the fork? Well, with your impeccable logic that clearly can't be the case, clearly people doubled their coins and in doing so doubled their money. I wonder why all the scam coins haven't figured out your infinite money glitch, just fork it to double the coins and double the worth?

    Or you know, alternatively, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 5 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 10 hours ago (3 children)

    Oh wow, you found some no name crypto and apparently it is representative of everything.

    More importantly I can find a whole bunch of fiat countries that have failed. Why don’t you go and lick fascist boots instead of spreading nonsense.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    Oh wow, you found some no name crypto and apparently it is representative of everything.

    No. I found a real life example so you wouldn't say "that's impossible". Now how about you stop ducking and address my original point.

    More importantly I can find a whole bunch of fiat countries that have failed. Why don’t you go and lick fascist boots instead of spreading nonsense.

    Irrelevant.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    Yes, everything that demonstrates you are wrong is irrelevant. Must be nice to live in a world of make believe.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    If this is the only way to get you to address my point go ahead, start explaining how your nonsense argument demonstrates what I said is wrong. You can start by explaining what you think my point is because at this point I'm more than certain you can't even get that right.

  • source
  • parent