I (23M) had an abusive upbringing. In early childhood, my father beat me and told me I was weak when I cried out in pain and begged for mercy. Since then, I learned that I was unlovable because I expressed vulnerability and neediness instead of silently enduring the pain, and that others would expect me to be strong and take things "like a man."

As I grew up, I got better and better at hiding my pain. But because I so rarely experienced any kind of affection or positive attention, I never learned to hide pleasure.

I compared myself a lot to men in pornography. It seemed like nothing fazed them, even as women did things to them that could make me faint. These men had incredible endurance and could stay in control of themselves as they made manly grunts. I was a failure in comparison.

I do not make manly grunts. I sound like Mickey goddamn Mouse. I unlock 3 new octaves of vocal range and tremble and blush and hyperventilate like crazy. I'm so embarrassed about it. I see videos of men receiving oral and think "Holy shit, HOW is that guy still standing? He's not even shaking!?" And then I think there's no way in hell that women would put up with my effeminate whines if strong guys who can withstand a woman's attention with little more than a few grunts are everywhere.

I came up with all these sexist lies about women to reassure myself that there was no risk of being touched by them and I was in control. "Porn is just fiction and the actresses lie when they express pleasure or interest; in reality, women don't initiate or reciprocate touch in real life because they're sexually passive and men are the pursuers. Women don't want to touch men because they are wired to receive pleasure, not give it. Also, women have to constantly fear being stalked and harassed by men, so I am doing the right thing by staying as far away from them as possible. Besides, I'm too much of a sensitive crybaby to be attractive to women anyway. So I'm safe. Sure, I live in a touch-starved hellscape, but I'll never have to worry about a woman touching and exploring my body and having naughty thoughts about me, let alone acting on them."

But it's about time I drop the bullshit and be honest.

I'm terrified of being touched by women I'm attracted to because I fear that they would ruthlessly mock me when I inevitably lose my composure and melt into a flustered, needy, giggly, grateful puddle. After all, that's what happened the last time I was openly emotive, way back in childhood when I cried out for mercy. None of my generalizations about women are true, and my avoidance of women doesn't actually make the world better. I am not helping anyone or acting rationally by doing this; I am just avoiding the possibility of being seen when I'm an emotional mess.

I was hoping that no woman would ever sexually desire me because then I would never have to worry about being seen. There were a couple of incidents in school where someone groped me and ran off before I could see who they were, and I automatically assumed at the time that the perpetrator was a guy, because the possibility of them being a girl was far more dangerous to my psyche.

I have these pervasive fantasies that a woman would find my flustered collapse incredibly cute and sexy. Rather than chastising me, she would be really sweet and flirtatious and enjoy sensually melting me at my own pace so as not to overwhelm me. My fear tries to convince me that this outcome isn't possible. But every day, I gain just a little bit more hope that it actually is, and the fear and shame lose just a little bit more power.

I know that Lemmy isn't a substitute for professional help, which is why I have also been going to therapy, but I think it would help a lot if others could tell me what a partner's positive experience of my responses might look like or share how they dealt with similar insecurities and communicated about them with their partner.

What do you think?

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[–] [S] 1 point 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm straight.

Entertaining the idea that I needed to somehow force myself to be bi to be loved just reinforced the idea that my real self is unlovable and that women's desires are monolithic, so I stopped doing it in favor of trying to deconstruct my sexist beliefs -- namely, that men's sexual desires are innately predatory and women are passive victims of men who have no agency or desires. Dismantling this view is what made me realize that I am vulnerable to advances by women and the possibility of intimacy with them terrifies me.

Maybe what I need to do is to recognize that this agency means that women are individuals with their own preferences, and for some women, many of their preferences will overlap with my own traits. Treating women as a monolith was a symptom of my failure to engage with them as individuals because I had conceptualized them all as victims.

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  • [–] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    Spring boarding off this cause I lost my therapist and insurance a month ago. I do the same shit with men, as a gay man. I'm pretty shy and I find I difficult to strike up convos with strangers, honestly keeping up a convo with most people is hard sometimes. Men can be hot and crazy and cute. Most just want sex which is a contemporary gay man's dream but I want a relationship and deeper connection. I had a long term relationship but we ended it because we sexually weren't compatible. I see men and I scare myself off because if I come on too strong he'll think I'm strange. But then I see other guys prey upon these guys and they are into it. I need a good wingman to boost my confidence in situations like this. I won't know until I try and if I get rejected then I have lost nothing and gained knowledge, honed social skills, and gave it my all. I always say this and then it's harder to do then to say it.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 14 hours ago

    I won’t know until I try and if I get rejected then I have lost nothing and gained knowledge, honed social skills, and gave it my all.

    I like this mindset. For me, rejection felt like death, but I didn't know at the time that this was because of trauma. I've been locked out of pursuing intimacy in part because my brain would interpret rejection to mean something it doesn't (Dad was right VS we're not compatible). But I didn't lose anything externally; the loss was in my head, and I can work on my mindset to diminish the amount of shame I feel.

    I'm hoping I am reaching a stage of recovery where I can lose a lot less sanity from rejection and start talking to more people in real life. In fact, it kind of already happened. This is my lowest upvote ratio on a post and I haven't collapsed in shame and defeat, just staying curious and trying to learn.

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