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[–] [S, M] 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (55 children)

Whining about being part of the same group that most rapists belong to when the overarching conversation is about how we prevent horrific crimes like gang rape is a choice a lot of men are making in here.

If you feel it’s more important to soothe men’s hurt feelings about being in the same group as most rapists rather than focusing on how we reduce rape, you have completely missed the fucking point.

93.6% of sexual abuse offenders were men in 2021 in the US.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    93.6% of sexual abuse offenders were men in 2021 in the US.

    Convicted offenders. Worth the precision.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    Velma, this is exactly why I love you so much 💚

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    <3

    Thanks for being a voice with me, dkppunk.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 days ago* (2 children)

    My face when reading some of these comments

    Some of y’all guys are nasty

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    First of all fuck this conversation for bringing up depressing statistics.

    The 93℅ of convicts being male is something I cannot debate. Even the number of cases being registered brings it down to 90℅, so even if some men are hiding, I don't think the numbers extrapolate below 85℅. Which honestly makes sense, rape is defined by power dynamics, and men are usually stronger than women, and 93℅ number matches closely with the strength distribution of male to female. Which is, 5℅ of women are stronger than 50℅ of the men. So even if I consider female to male rape being under reported, I don't think margin would be that large, and would largely be balanced by women who don't report.also looking up similar data from the EU only makes this case stronger. Only thing I have against the case is some anecdotes I've read when it comes to bars and discos about women being perpetrators far more often than numbers suggest, but like I said, those are anecdotes from reddit, so I'm not giving much weight to it till I see it myself,(or atleast if I see similar point being brought up in different threads). I tried being factual but fuck me for looking up all these numbers.

    Secondly, it's complex issue. Your beliefs and Morality is not just in your parents hands, it's also your friends and by large today especially, the algorithm of your feed.

    My biggest issue whenever y'all try to send messages like this is, these just never reach the people who need to hear it. As a man, I'm either in a group that's actually full of women respecting people, or a place that doesn't hesitate body shaming women on her freaking face. And I said "place" which means this is a socially accepted behavior amongst almost Everyone there. And what can I do when everyone around me is beyond redemption? I've met a guy who seriously took objection to the fact that most people chose to have their mothers signature in a form instead of their fathers. And yes, he was being misogynist, and he almost took pride in being called so.

    Look I'm a socially awkward guy. I have no friends from that 'place'. And if you ask me, they were beyond redemption anyways. Some might grow up in future, some won't. I respect you western women for atleast avoiding people who display such behaviors, cause some women here didn't even object. I had to think twice before standing up for someone cause how casually some of them treated it.

    Rest I don't even know what to say. It's just depressing to talk about rapes in general.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Rest I don’t even know what to say. It’s just depressing to talk about rapes in general.

    Trust, I don't enjoy talking about this subject. But I think it's important. Because there's a general sentiment that feminism has gone far enough and that we've corrected enough to give women equality.

    We haven't. So I keep talking about it. And I keep posting news articles because this keeps happening over and over and over again.

    I posted some stats here that cover a range of issues.

    Don't lump yourself in with the men that choose to put their selfish wants above other's boundaries if you don't do so. Continue to speak up for the women in your life. That's all that anyone can ask of you here.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    This one's not even that bad when it comes to getting lumped, cause I know only monsters do stuff like this, and I am not one of them, or almost anyone I'm in touch with.

    Honestly most depressing one was when the grok was on a freaking rampage of nudifying women without their consent at the start of the year. Idk it was something freaking dystopian shit unfolding in front of my eyes, especially seeing how laxed government response was. I remember Linus from Linus tech tips getting emotional thinking this could be his children one day, and I realised I'm kinda lucky in that regard, cause my loved ones don't post pictures online. But still, just the fact that something we considered sexual harassment until yesterday today became the new normal was horrifying. And barrier of entry was so low it could have just been any random guy who was doing that.

    I still think we didn't do enough to prevent this from happening silently.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    I agree with you. Men need to be taught better and most rapist are men due to the obvious. However crime statistics always make me feel kinda gross and reminds me of conservatives doing the same for black crime statistics.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    However crime statistics always make me feel kinda gross and reminds me of conservatives doing the same for black crime statistics.

    I think there's a fundamental difference.

    Overpolicing of poor and black neighborhoods by racist cops looking to meet quotas creates "crime statistics".

    But this is under policing of rich white fraternities, resulting in chronic misconduct by a select few bad actors.

    At some point, it's like talking about serial killers or pedophiles from a racial lense, when the problem isn't racial. It's the fact that you don't arrest Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Epstein, and they crank up the statistics for their cohort single handedly.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    However crime statistics always make me feel kinda gross and reminds me of conservatives doing the same for black crime statistics.

    You'd rather we don't track the problem?

    The numbers, even if they're slightly inaccurate (which I don't think they're far off), show that there's a clear imbalance as to who are the perpetrators. Women know this from experience as well.

    There's many reasons that men are overwhelmingly the demographic that rapes people and they're not waived away by simply claiming that people are being sexist against men.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    I don't get the impression that that's what they're saying.
    I get the impression that they agree, but that it's literally the quoting of crime statistics to highlight a problem that feels bad to them.

    Which I can understand. It invites quibbling over statistics and somehow distances you from the point being made because it highlights a pattern but leaves the conclusion up to the listener.

    This in no way speaks against the statistic, the conclusion or the problem. Just commiserating that statistics have been used to mislead so often that it can feel bad to use them, even if entirely justified.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago* (9 children)

    I agree that they're missing the point, but if you think the point of threads like this is to focus on how to reduce rape, so are you. The point is to stimulate and/or vent anger about rape, barely even paying lip service to reducing it.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 days ago* (8 children)

    Awareness is half the battle. Social pressure can move mountains.

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  • [+] -8 points 3 days ago* (7 children)

    Awareness is far less than half the battle lol, but what a nice rationalization for dodging the actual work - let me write that down!

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    Posting news stories or about news stories is not mutually exclusive to other work towards rape reduction.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 days ago* (5 children)

    Technically, but in practice we both know the one usually happens without the other.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    What do you think you’re accomplishing by trying to silence people demanding consequences for rapists?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

    I'm not trying to silence anybody, and I don't think anyone is accomplishing anything by being here, essentially we're all just amusing ourselves. The delusion of accomplishment is part of that.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    I do much, much more beyond my computer screen.

    When you complain about people speaking up about rape and say it's ineffective, you are telling them to quiet down. To stop. Save some of that energy for actual rapists instead of those outraged about being raped.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 days ago

    That's not what I said, it's what came out of your filter. The vast majority of people who rage on social media don't take any action that isn't clickable. You might spend your energy lecturing them instead of someone who points it out.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    If the messaging doesn't work let's just keep doing it with no changes and tell everyone who misinterprets it they're wrong? How is it I see the same comments on these posts for literally the past 10 years, clearly it's not being communicated effectively.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 3 days ago

    The rapists in this particular story never saw any punishment outside of having to write some essays.

    We could start with holding rapists accountable for their crimes. Until then, we're not going to shut up about how many men are raping us with no consequences.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 days ago (9 children)

    93.6% of sexual abuse offenders were men in 2021 in the US.

    Statistics don't matter if there is a bias at the data gathering level.

    Thebkind if statistic that always gets shot down is the fact that woman-on-man rape is under reported, doesn't get taken seriously when it does get reported, and usually doesn't even get filed, and so makes no blip on rape statistics.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    You know when you shouldn't be bringing up male victim statistics?

    When we're literally discussing events around a male on female gang rape that was "handled" with having to write an essay

    Bringing that up here and now here just makes you look like you're trying to derail the conversation

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 3 days ago* (4 children)

    so makes no blip on rape statistics.

    You're pushing misinformation. It is tracked:

    Most identified victims of child sexual abuse are girls, but boys also experience serious harm. Child protective services records show that boys make up a larger share of identified victims among younger children than among teenagers.

    According to child protective services records, boys account for 30% of sexual abuse victims ages 0-11.

    Among victims ages 12-17, boys account for 11%.

    Sexual violence against men and boys is often overlooked, but police files show that it happens across multiple types of reported sex crimes.

    Nationwide, in 11% of reported rapes, the victim is male.

    Every survivor deserves to be recognized, believed, and supported. Naming sexual violence against men and boys helps make sure fewer survivors are left out of the conversation.

    18% of U.S. men experience verbal sexual harassment at work or in public during their lifetimes.

    At least 4% of rape is perpetrated by women.

    Each year, an average of 5,510 female perpetrators are reported for rape, according to law enforcement reporting.

    Bias does not account for the staggering difference between perpetrators though:

    According to child protective services agencies nationwide, 89% of identified child sexual abuse perpetrators are male.

    About 8% of identified offenders are female. The rest are unknown or unclassified.

    Sexual violence can happen to anyone, but police files show that reported rape overwhelmingly involves female victims.

    Nationwide, female victims experience nearly 9 in 10 reported rapes.

    These numbers make clear why prevention, accountability, and survivor support must address the disproportionate harm experienced by girls and women, while recognizing that every survivor deserves care. Source

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  • [+] -6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Clearly you don't know what statistical bias looks like.

    You are responsible for perpetuating a problem.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    You think Rainn.org is biased?

    Go ahead and bring your unbiased sources. I'm waiting.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 days ago

    The bias exists and to their credit, they even acknowledge it too, only you ignore it: They use the word "reported", which is very important. We will never know the true numbers when it comes to rape. Many women will not report out of fear from repercussions or shame and I'm sure you're well aware of that. But most men would never report out of shame if something does happen to them because men aren't supposed to be rapeable. Your own statistics show that in childhood ~30% of victims are male but it quickly drops off to ~11% by the time we're old enough to know we must never admit to being weak. Particularly in teenage years, the bullying would never end if a boy admits to being raped.

    There's a woman in my own life who holds certain power over me: The mother of my child (who I'm raising alone). I hate her with every fiber of my being, but the moment I stop pretending I'm ok with sleeping with her, she'll make up random bullshit about me being a bad parent so she can kidnap our kid again. Who, last time it happened, was so traumatized it took a few months of being back home with me to mostly recover. But until she murders someone or gets caught doing hard drugs, she has 100% equal rights to the kid whose life she shows zero interest in until she needs something from me (usually sex or money, though I suspect the sex is an attempt to wrestle back control over me rather than for her enjoyment, she already has several other men, including the current one she's in a "monogamous" relationship with), so there is no legal recourse, I'd have to straight up murder her to get peace and I have no intention of ever doing that. We can't leave the country without her permission either, I'd be wanted internationally for kidnapping then.

    So am I being raped? Maybe, maybe not. I'm not being held down physically or drugged, it's certainly not as violent in this case as what many female victims experience, but I don't REALLY consent to what's happening, yet I have no choice and I also can't let her know I don't consent, I've done it in the past and it set off a horrible fucking chain of events. But it's 1) completely unproveable, because she's never threatened me and hasn't used physical violence on me since the divorce, it's only clear from her past actions how she starts behaving when I don't pretend to be easily swayed by her "feminine powers" anymore, and 2) even if I could prove it, I have no faith anything would come out of it. She would certainly never get convicted, she could commit a crime in front of a police officer and get away with it, most people never see through her blatant lies, because she can and will tell you that the sky is actually lime green and she WILL believe it herself as she's saying it to you. I've witnessed her get away with dozens of things over the 3 years I've known her. And I'm also not a fan of having my house painted, my car trashed, or any of the other things she's done to her other exes who have dared tell her off. Not immediately. Months or in one case years later so you could never prove or perhaps even know that it was her.

    So while I agree that straight up posting #notallmen unprompted after something like the Cornell 7 incident comes to light makes you either an idiot or a bad faith actor, I can't help but feel like some frustration is justified as our whole gender is being labeled as dangerous based on reported statistics where we know most of us would never report if anything happened to us because society expects us to never be raped and you're a weak pussy if you do get taken advantage of, especially by a woman. And I'm not going to pretend that the numbers would be equal even if every single rape or sexual abuse case was reported, it's just frustrating knowing you're considered evil or dangerous just because you were born with the wrong genitalia, while by default the people with the other type of genitalia can't be rapists.

    Right now, something about the conversation is just not working. There must be a way to get the men who are not okay with rape to be angry at those who are, instead of getting them to feel like they're being lumped in with the rapists by default. The fact that you post "a lot of men are rapists though" in a significant portion of your comments, makes you part of it. Even constantly posting the statistics isn't actually helping advance anyone's understanding, pretty much everyone already knows most rapes are perpetrated by men. Far fewer people know about the untested rape kit backlog (though fortunately that's also been in the news this cycle, that's how I found out for one), or how often women who report being raped (including the Jane Doe at Cornell) aren't offered rape kits - and those should be offered by default, not asked for by the victim, who in distress might not even realize that's an option. This particular Jane Doe didn't outright say "I was raped" to the doctor, but she did hint at it, which every medical professional needs to be able to catch and react to. So many issues people need to be educated about, instead of being lectured about the one thing everyone already knows.

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