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Hypothesis: Insufficient moderation tools lead to instance protectionism, which leads to a decline in the overall discussion quality on Lemmy (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 years ago by to c/fediverse@lemmy.world
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[–] 48 points 3 years ago* (22 children)

I don't really get all the "'all' is bad" discussion. Isn't that what the "subscribed" feed is for? Just sub to the communities that interest you and browse from there. Just like it was back on Reddit.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)

    The big difference is 1. Finding communities is not easy. Can you name every one of your interests off the top of your head? 2. Just punching in communities from reddit 1 for 1 doesn't work. 3. Content and user base. There are no discussions for my favorite podcasts here and if there are where do I find them.

    It took me a decade to build out a decent sub list on Reddit and I still stumble upon new interests now and again. I don't know how to "stumble upon" decent communities on Lemmy and I'm sick of wading through cartoon horse cocks.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    If you have a decent list from Reddit you can use https://sub.rehab to map Reddit to Lemmy / Kbin

    If you just want to look for communities you can use https://browse.feddit.de

    Takes some time to get everything set up but I honestly prefer having only stuff that interests me in my feed + no porn randomly popping up

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    One thing I don't like about the approach of blocking things is that the frontpage of reddit still allowed some level of discovery. If something in a niche community got hot enough it would break into my feed even though I didn't subscribe to that community. It was a cool way to expand my content on an occasional basis.

    If I'm going to only view my subscribed list on lemmy then I have to also manually go out and intentionally discover new communities. That's hard, because some of my favorite small reddit communities were ones I never would have thought to search for.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    That got me very confused as I never had that happening on my Reddit feed. I had to go back to Reddit to notice that I actually had that setting disabled.

    Anyway, I don't think something like that would really work on Lemmy. Reddit has his algorithm that devours your privacy, chews on your data and spits out results that may or may not interests you. Lemmy is much more simple than that. IIRC it's "algorithm" is little more than a logarithmic curve and the (very based) devs are committed to user privacy, so your data will never get analyzed, not even to sugar coat your feed. For me it's a feature, though I get that not everyone might feel that way.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    the (very based) devs are committed to user privacy, so your data will never get analyzed

    All credit to the devs, but Lemmy isn't great on privacy. Your votes are technically public, and there is no way to guarantee what you delete or edit is actually deleted and edited. You're right the data is not used to customize your feed, but not because it's private. It isn't.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    You are right. I don't mind the upvotes being public, I do mind the deletion thing (although it's an inherent flaw of federation, hard to get around it) but both are points against it having good privacy.

    I guess what I meant is that the platform makes no attempt at linking your online persona to anything else. It doesn't even collect IP adresses and has very poor logging - btw this is actually a liability with the ongoing CSAM issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    I mean, I use my LW account for local and lemm.ee for all (because it can see more posts). They are just... different, although I am getting pretty annoyed at the mass of r/politics level politcal discourse on the LW local feed.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    What do you mean "it can see more posts"? I thought the point of world was that it was the general everything respiratory.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    lemmy.world has been defederated and has defederated some pretty large instances. On the othe hand lemm.ee is probably the instance with one of the most open fed lists

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    DUMB. Just another reason for the average user to not bother with the platform IMHO. I can't be arsed to figure out who is censoring or who isn't I just want it to work.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Off the top of my head, LW accounts can't see posts from beehaw, hexbear, or piracy communities on db0 due to defed/blocks.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Whaaaaaat. See this is the shit I'm talking about. Stupid I have to watch out for these kinds of pitfalls that I only know about because somebody happens to tell me.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I only know about because somebody happens to tell me

    I agree on that point, I have built a site to check for that https://defed.xyz but you still have to query each instance manually. It's just the way Lemmy works, some research is required when creating your account. I could write you a whole spielt on what criteria you should look at but the short answer is that if you want something big that "just works" lemm.ee might be the place for you.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Appreciate the feedback, I definitely want it to "just work".

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    a decentralized system NECESSARILY has these challenges. it's a feature not a bug. if you want it to be easy then go back to Reddit where it doesn't work for different reasons. this will never be that so either you accept this and learn or put up with spez type bullshit.

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