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[+] drmoose@lemmy.world -10 points 5 days ago (6 children) Yet LLMs demonstrate all of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago* (2 children) LLMs demonstrate knowledge not intelligence. LLMs are basically giant knowledge databases with no intelligence. They know a lot of things but they don't understand stand any of it. Because fundamentally they can't understand things. They can only approximate understanding. It's no different then if I asked someone to prove 2+2=4. They could tell me that yes that's correct, because they know it. But they couldn't explain it properly. Let alone explain why it also isn't always true. Hallucinations are fundamentally the disconnect from knowledge and understanding. Everything a LLM says from its point of view is "true" it's only stating factual knowledge so far that it has it in its data set. But with out understanding, it can't tell when that knowledge wanders from a 99% likelihood to be accurate to 60% or 20%. Because it doesn't actually understand what it's saying. It can only state subjective not objective truth. And subjective truth is no better than a fiction with out understanding. This is why they need a human minder to keep track of the output to correct it back to optimum output when it starts to wander. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] slag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago* Chain of thought doesn’t quite align with this. It’s possible to predict something not in training if there are sufficient facts in the history to align the probability toward a conclusion. (the “teach a man to fish” approach) Reasoning chains were introduced to take advantage of this, but it’s also possible to prime facts through external sourcing that can be used to extend the predictions. (web searching, document traversal, etc.) Your larger point remains accurate though. Introspection capabilities are functional but quite limited, and training bias can be quite pathological in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago This binary distinction you're making doesn't exist in any serious scientific literature. I literally have a degree in information technology and have been following this subject for over 30 years now - there's no real distinction between "knowledge" and intelligence. In fact, compression itself is literally intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (2 children) You’re proving my point, jog on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] drmoose@lemmy.world -11 points 5 days ago (1 child) Lemmy luddites: 🙈🙉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago Ned Ludd did nothing wrong! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago* (2 children) LLMs demonstrate knowledge not intelligence. LLMs are basically giant knowledge databases with no intelligence. They know a lot of things but they don't understand stand any of it. Because fundamentally they can't understand things. They can only approximate understanding. It's no different then if I asked someone to prove 2+2=4. They could tell me that yes that's correct, because they know it. But they couldn't explain it properly. Let alone explain why it also isn't always true. Hallucinations are fundamentally the disconnect from knowledge and understanding. Everything a LLM says from its point of view is "true" it's only stating factual knowledge so far that it has it in its data set. But with out understanding, it can't tell when that knowledge wanders from a 99% likelihood to be accurate to 60% or 20%. Because it doesn't actually understand what it's saying. It can only state subjective not objective truth. And subjective truth is no better than a fiction with out understanding. This is why they need a human minder to keep track of the output to correct it back to optimum output when it starts to wander. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] slag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago* Chain of thought doesn’t quite align with this. It’s possible to predict something not in training if there are sufficient facts in the history to align the probability toward a conclusion. (the “teach a man to fish” approach) Reasoning chains were introduced to take advantage of this, but it’s also possible to prime facts through external sourcing that can be used to extend the predictions. (web searching, document traversal, etc.) Your larger point remains accurate though. Introspection capabilities are functional but quite limited, and training bias can be quite pathological in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago This binary distinction you're making doesn't exist in any serious scientific literature. I literally have a degree in information technology and have been following this subject for over 30 years now - there's no real distinction between "knowledge" and intelligence. In fact, compression itself is literally intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] slag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago* Chain of thought doesn’t quite align with this. It’s possible to predict something not in training if there are sufficient facts in the history to align the probability toward a conclusion. (the “teach a man to fish” approach) Reasoning chains were introduced to take advantage of this, but it’s also possible to prime facts through external sourcing that can be used to extend the predictions. (web searching, document traversal, etc.) Your larger point remains accurate though. Introspection capabilities are functional but quite limited, and training bias can be quite pathological in a vacuum. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago This binary distinction you're making doesn't exist in any serious scientific literature. I literally have a degree in information technology and have been following this subject for over 30 years now - there's no real distinction between "knowledge" and intelligence. In fact, compression itself is literally intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (2 children) You’re proving my point, jog on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] drmoose@lemmy.world -11 points 5 days ago (1 child) Lemmy luddites: 🙈🙉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago Ned Ludd did nothing wrong! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] drmoose@lemmy.world -11 points 5 days ago (1 child) Lemmy luddites: 🙈🙉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago Ned Ludd did nothing wrong! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 days ago Ned Ludd did nothing wrong! permalink fedilink source parent