β² 202 βΌ We're not allowed to fail them, the lowest they can get is a 53. | Notes from your kid's teacher. (thelemmy.club) submitted 5 days ago by DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world to c/justpost@lemmy.world 61 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 15 points 5 days ago (6 children) Thanks bush permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago Yep. NCLB got rid of any pretense of βeducationβ. permalink fedilink source parent [β] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (4 children) Genuine question. I assumed you're talking about no child left behind. I know nothing about it. Can you summarize it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (3 children) I'm not an educator, but most of my family is and no child left behind is an interest of my sister who is a teacher, and it goes like this: School funding is heavily driven by tax revenue of the surrounding areas, so more affluent districts could afford higher pay, more expensive materials, etc than a less wealthy district. This meant the quality of education varied wildly across state to state, city to city, district to district. The subjects taught and the full scope of each subject being taught was different as well. So you'd end up with entire groups of children not having been taught things needed to be a productive member of society No Child Left Behind sought to correct this. The idea was to create a standardized set of knowledge expectations across the US and used additional funding as a corrective function to underperforming schools. If a school was doing well by their students they got more money, if a school was not providing as good of an education, they'd lose money. Doing "well" was primarily measured by checking the students' knowledge of the listed standard topics. In practice what happened was standardized test scores got mathematically tied school funding. Average grades, number of students graduated, a few other metrics also got tied mathematically to funding. School districts could try their best, provide the best quality education possible, and then hope and pray that the students performed well... Or they could cook the books and change internal standards to ensure that by all the measured metrics they got the most funding they could permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* It also served to open up school districts to private interests for budget shortfalls. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for example gave huge sums of money to schools, but yhe money with stipulations and requirements from the schools. Worker training replaced the arts, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [β] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) So winner takes all, essentially. So low testing schools, which are generally more poor fall even further behind. Wow. Also, this reminds me of Goodhart's law. Goodhart's law is an adage that has been stated as, "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".[1] It is named after British economist Charles Goodhart, who is credited with expressing the core idea of the adage in a 1975 article on monetary policy in the United Kingdom:[2] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago Exactly There were some strong criticisms of NCLB when it was first created that correctly predicted this would happen. Another unintended consequence was the death of elective classes in all but the most affluent schools. Schools strapped for cash needed the extra money offered by NCLB so they diverted what little resources they had into classes that were measured through standardized testing. Shop, agriculture, civics, home economics, classes that actually helped students live a good life were axed in favor of more math and science since students generally performed lower in those subjects and were dragging scores, thereby funding, down permalink fedilink source parent
[β] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago Yep. NCLB got rid of any pretense of βeducationβ. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago (4 children) Genuine question. I assumed you're talking about no child left behind. I know nothing about it. Can you summarize it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (3 children) I'm not an educator, but most of my family is and no child left behind is an interest of my sister who is a teacher, and it goes like this: School funding is heavily driven by tax revenue of the surrounding areas, so more affluent districts could afford higher pay, more expensive materials, etc than a less wealthy district. This meant the quality of education varied wildly across state to state, city to city, district to district. The subjects taught and the full scope of each subject being taught was different as well. So you'd end up with entire groups of children not having been taught things needed to be a productive member of society No Child Left Behind sought to correct this. The idea was to create a standardized set of knowledge expectations across the US and used additional funding as a corrective function to underperforming schools. If a school was doing well by their students they got more money, if a school was not providing as good of an education, they'd lose money. Doing "well" was primarily measured by checking the students' knowledge of the listed standard topics. In practice what happened was standardized test scores got mathematically tied school funding. Average grades, number of students graduated, a few other metrics also got tied mathematically to funding. School districts could try their best, provide the best quality education possible, and then hope and pray that the students performed well... Or they could cook the books and change internal standards to ensure that by all the measured metrics they got the most funding they could permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* It also served to open up school districts to private interests for budget shortfalls. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for example gave huge sums of money to schools, but yhe money with stipulations and requirements from the schools. Worker training replaced the arts, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [β] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) So winner takes all, essentially. So low testing schools, which are generally more poor fall even further behind. Wow. Also, this reminds me of Goodhart's law. Goodhart's law is an adage that has been stated as, "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".[1] It is named after British economist Charles Goodhart, who is credited with expressing the core idea of the adage in a 1975 article on monetary policy in the United Kingdom:[2] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago Exactly There were some strong criticisms of NCLB when it was first created that correctly predicted this would happen. Another unintended consequence was the death of elective classes in all but the most affluent schools. Schools strapped for cash needed the extra money offered by NCLB so they diverted what little resources they had into classes that were measured through standardized testing. Shop, agriculture, civics, home economics, classes that actually helped students live a good life were axed in favor of more math and science since students generally performed lower in those subjects and were dragging scores, thereby funding, down permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (3 children) I'm not an educator, but most of my family is and no child left behind is an interest of my sister who is a teacher, and it goes like this: School funding is heavily driven by tax revenue of the surrounding areas, so more affluent districts could afford higher pay, more expensive materials, etc than a less wealthy district. This meant the quality of education varied wildly across state to state, city to city, district to district. The subjects taught and the full scope of each subject being taught was different as well. So you'd end up with entire groups of children not having been taught things needed to be a productive member of society No Child Left Behind sought to correct this. The idea was to create a standardized set of knowledge expectations across the US and used additional funding as a corrective function to underperforming schools. If a school was doing well by their students they got more money, if a school was not providing as good of an education, they'd lose money. Doing "well" was primarily measured by checking the students' knowledge of the listed standard topics. In practice what happened was standardized test scores got mathematically tied school funding. Average grades, number of students graduated, a few other metrics also got tied mathematically to funding. School districts could try their best, provide the best quality education possible, and then hope and pray that the students performed well... Or they could cook the books and change internal standards to ensure that by all the measured metrics they got the most funding they could permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* It also served to open up school districts to private interests for budget shortfalls. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for example gave huge sums of money to schools, but yhe money with stipulations and requirements from the schools. Worker training replaced the arts, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [β] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) So winner takes all, essentially. So low testing schools, which are generally more poor fall even further behind. Wow. Also, this reminds me of Goodhart's law. Goodhart's law is an adage that has been stated as, "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".[1] It is named after British economist Charles Goodhart, who is credited with expressing the core idea of the adage in a 1975 article on monetary policy in the United Kingdom:[2] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago Exactly There were some strong criticisms of NCLB when it was first created that correctly predicted this would happen. Another unintended consequence was the death of elective classes in all but the most affluent schools. Schools strapped for cash needed the extra money offered by NCLB so they diverted what little resources they had into classes that were measured through standardized testing. Shop, agriculture, civics, home economics, classes that actually helped students live a good life were axed in favor of more math and science since students generally performed lower in those subjects and were dragging scores, thereby funding, down permalink fedilink source parent
[β] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* It also served to open up school districts to private interests for budget shortfalls. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation for example gave huge sums of money to schools, but yhe money with stipulations and requirements from the schools. Worker training replaced the arts, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) So winner takes all, essentially. So low testing schools, which are generally more poor fall even further behind. Wow. Also, this reminds me of Goodhart's law. Goodhart's law is an adage that has been stated as, "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure".[1] It is named after British economist Charles Goodhart, who is credited with expressing the core idea of the adage in a 1975 article on monetary policy in the United Kingdom:[2] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago Exactly There were some strong criticisms of NCLB when it was first created that correctly predicted this would happen. Another unintended consequence was the death of elective classes in all but the most affluent schools. Schools strapped for cash needed the extra money offered by NCLB so they diverted what little resources they had into classes that were measured through standardized testing. Shop, agriculture, civics, home economics, classes that actually helped students live a good life were axed in favor of more math and science since students generally performed lower in those subjects and were dragging scores, thereby funding, down permalink fedilink source parent
[β] MajorasMaskForever@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago Exactly There were some strong criticisms of NCLB when it was first created that correctly predicted this would happen. Another unintended consequence was the death of elective classes in all but the most affluent schools. Schools strapped for cash needed the extra money offered by NCLB so they diverted what little resources they had into classes that were measured through standardized testing. Shop, agriculture, civics, home economics, classes that actually helped students live a good life were axed in favor of more math and science since students generally performed lower in those subjects and were dragging scores, thereby funding, down permalink fedilink source parent