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[–] 234 points 1 week ago (72 children)

One nice thing about English, it will lexical borrow from you in an instant.

We just love new ways to say old boring stuff.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    Sometimes it gets so ingrained into English that it feels natural.

    好久不见 (hǎo​ jiǔ ​bu ​jiàn), lit. long time no see, it's originally a Chinese phrase that became commonplace in English. Even though it doesn't quite hold up grammatically in English, no one will question it.

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  • [–] 132 points 1 week ago (57 children)

    I have been saying it for years, English is a very informal and open language, have fun with it. Sky water is not technically a wrong way to refer to rain, liquid laundry soup is absolutely a sauce for your laundry, dish bricks, day star, the list goes on

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  • [–] 88 points 1 week ago (22 children)

    I think this is one of the reasons why English (or it's descendants) will forever be the international language of trade. If it's not your first language, it's damn difficult to make yourself sound like a native speaker, but it's damn easy to make yourself understood.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    I think you're confusing a reasonably short period in recent history with "forever".

    In History there were quite a lot of "international languages of trade" other than English. It seems to depend very much on which nations were the top empire of the age and because the last two top empires were English-speaking countries (first Britain, then after that the United States), the English language has been dominant as a second language for a over a century now, but before that the English language already existed in a form very similar to the modern form and yet it wasn't at all an "international language of trade" (in fact, at least in Europe, before English it was French that was the dominant language of trade).

    I bet that the next "international language of trade" will be Chinese.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (3 children)

    By saying forever they're talking about the future, not the past.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago* (2 children)

    A forecast not backed by anything other than wishful thinking and which runs counter everything that has always happened.

    Claiming that English will forever be the "international language of trade" is like putting up a statue and under it the message: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!""

    More in general, nothing lasts forever.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    You can't really look at past examples now that globalization is a thing. An ubiquitous language wasn't really possible before then.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago*

    You see, I don't even have to show any evidence of anything, it's those who are claiming that "This time is different" and that this specific trading language, right now specifically (by an amazing coincidence, right when they live and make said claim, never before and - given that claim being "forever" and "global" - logically never again for a different one) will, unlike all trade languages before hold that position and endure, not just 100 years, not just 1000 years, but "forever".

    Such a huge, massive, gigantic forecast needs equally huge, massive, gigantic proof.

    So far, against that theory we have History, not just of trading languages but of languages themselves and nations showing that until none of those things lasts forever. On the side in favor of it we have ... *crickets*

    That whole forecast stinks of jingoism and ignorance.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    I remember an interview with Lisa Kudrow in which she described her French boyfriend's failure to remember the English word for toes, and said they were foot fingers.

    English: if the people you're talking to understand what you're saying, you're ok. Even if the people you're talking to don't understand what you're saying, you're still ok. Just be fancy with your words, and everyone will like it.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Ironically, same with Japanese. They have an entire alphabet dedicated to foreign words, Katakana. You want a hamburger and a beer? That's a "ハンバーガーとビール" (Hanbāgā to Biru). Coffee from Starbucks on your way to work? That's a "ドライブスルーコーヒー" (Doraibusurūkohi - a drive-thru coffee). Better fried chicken than anyone has a right to can be found at the "コンビニ" (Konbini - aka the convenience store). Learning Japanese it's rife with these borrowed words. Half the time it's "you're fucking kidding." The other half the time it's learning some insane formalism that makes saying "thank you" take five minutes.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Awhile back, I watched an anime about camping. It was chill, and cute, and I enjoyed it. But every time they stopped to discuss some kind of camping equipment, it was all English loan words, and it drove me a bit bonkers.

    What do you mean Japanese just straight up borrowed the phrase "ground tarp" from English??? Surely they already have words for that!

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago*

    I'm learning Korean, in South Korea they use so much English vocabulary and it's all spelled phonetically, for example table (yes they use that word) becomes 테이블 (teibeul) and then you have to pronounce it like a Korean word which always sounds a little weird. Japanese is similar, but the possible syllables in Japanese are much more limited so it ends up sounding even weirder and sometimes isn't immediately recognisable as English.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago

    They may have. Several Japanese words for everyday objects are taken from other languages despite having earlier words for those things. E.g. bread is pan (from Portuguese) and ball is boru (English).

    Though my personal favorite is black hole. Despite having different words for black and hole, black hole is translated as burakkuhoru

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