Anyone living in (Western) Europe will know that European “support for Ukraine’s independence” is being used as an excuse for mass austerity and militarisation. Talk about this with the average European though, and they will repeat a bunch of false information about Ukraine and the war:

  • They frame Ukrainian nationalism as a liberation movement instead of the fascist movement that it is at its core and inception
  • Russia is called irrational and unwilling to negotiate, so military domination is the only way out
  • diplomatic solutions are said to have failed because of Russia’s unwillingness, not because of EU/US/UK unwillingness to settle
  • Russia is described as a threat to European “independence”

The EU is spending a lot of money to keep this facade alive, so any internet search engine will direct any critical questions to EU sponsored websites and research to “combat misinformation”.

There is a growing anti war movement that challenges the need for austerity and militarisation, but it still struggles to gain popular support because there have not yet been any successful attempts to challenge the views that I wrote above.

I recognise that any successful funnel to challenge these beliefs will be met with aggressive attempts to be disarmed through accusations of being Russian propaganda, but I still want to pose the question on what you people think are good sources to start deprogramming the European working class on this issue. I know that there are many good sources on the actual situation on the ground, but due to the slander that most of those people and organisations have faced so far it is difficult to convince the average European that they are not Russian paid propagandists. So ideally there would be some place that really take someone by the hand to very carefully dissect what they have been lied about, in a similar way that the website www.decolonizepalestine.com does for Palestine.

Also I wonder if people are aware of any (diaspora) Ukrainian initiatives to challenge the misguided view that most Europeans have about Ukraine?

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[–] 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

You cannot indefinitely force people to be part of a nation when they don't want to be, and the violence will always continue in cycles until freedom is finally attained. In order for people in an occupied territory to truly want to integrate with their brutal occupiers, they have to be able to offer them a far far better life than they would have had otherwise. Of course, a nation that has never managed to achieve true democracy since the fall of the soviet union, and is undergoing total economic collapse will never be able to offer that better life - so war and resistance against the occupation will continue on and on indefinitely, until the occupation stops. When you're fighting against people who are trying to occupy your land and subject you to forced ethnic assimilation, even things that are otherwise morally grey become justifiable when it helps ensure the kind of ultimate freedom that will end a prolonged cycle of hegemonic violence. If those occupied people didn't want to be part of Ukraine, why spend almost a decade forcing them to be Ukrainian at gunpoint? Fuck Kyiv and the full-scale civil war waged against people it claimed dominion over, and bless Russia, for all its many, many, many flaws, for its intervention against such immoral violence. Typically, liberals respond to liberal arguments and they can swallow bait hook, line, and sinker.

Outside of the moral arguments, people respond to fear that the UK press stokes. Sir Arthur Travers Harris, the commander of the RAF Bomber Command in WW2 is famously quoted as saying, "The Nazi's entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they're going to reap the whirlwind." Missiles made in Britain, and aimed by British command centers are killing Russians right now. They could bomb the fuck out of the UK right now and they'd simply be getting even. Maybe bombing them isn't the right course of action if we don't want them to bomb us?

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