NoneOfUrBusiness comments on Germany charges 7 suspected Hamas members over attack plot

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 10 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

Can we... uh... can we have a fair trial first? If (alleged) terrorists don't have civil rights, then nobody does, and it's important to note here that pre-trial detention is a very common way for authoritarian regimes to punish dissent while maintaining a veneer of democracy. Really the question here is: Would you trust the AfD with this kind of power?

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[–] AviAdi@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

So you want people that are suspected terrorists to just walk free before their trial starts? And then once they commit a terrorist attack don't you think that will help afd even win bigger? Hell if these guys were just released after they're accused of being Islamic terrorists afd would have a field day with it. If the state has enough proof that these foreign agents were about to do a terrorist attack than they deserve to be locked up until trial. No wonder the left loses every fucking election 😂😂😂😂 this is simple thinking peeps wake up, afd wins because you want terrorists on the street

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

I literally never said any of that. If they can't be allowed to go free before they trial (which, fair enough) then they should get a trial as soon as possible, not spend a year in pre-trial detention. Quoting from the European Convention on Human Rights:

In the determination of his/her civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him/her, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law.

If people can be jailed for a year without a trial, then that is A Problem, which is the whole reason this clause exists.

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[–] AviAdi@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

This just shows you that you don't exist in the real world. Not all of these terrorists got arrested at once. The government was still working on making sure they catch all the terrorists involved in this plot before they could go to trial. Just because your little soft heart thinks it's oh so unfair doesn't mean that the reality of the situation was they were waiting to catch everyone involved before they even make a public announcement. Once again this is why leftist will never win an election in the future, you people do not know how things actually work! 😂😂😂 And those of us who actually work manual skilled labor, or actually keep people safe look at your ideas and think you are all children

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Not everyone in the comments section is your enemy 😂😂😂😂 maybe you should try speaking like a regular person rather than a combative troll 😂😂😂 this isn't a dig, just saying that if you're genuine you can just, like, have a conversation with people 😂

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[–] AviAdi@lemmy.world -1 points 22 hours ago (1 child)

Arguing with someone defending terrorists is now trolling and being combative?

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 22 hours ago

I didn't read their comment that way at all. But I'm also someone who's wary of government overstepping, so I agree with their point that if it's at all possible we shouldn't be detaining people for over a year without s trial.

Imo these kinds of abuses can form a system that is not worth defending. Like yeah I want to be safe, but I'm not willing to pay for that safety by stepping on the rights of others. I believe that just makes more terrorists in the end.

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