As someone who likes both Cartoons and Anime equally, I have yet to find someone who doesn't get offended by me saying that. They're just animated projects at the end of the day, just made differently through cultural norms. I'll enjoy both like I'll enjoy a burger & ramen, both are good and tasty, don't care which one's better as long I'm munching down

That's it, I'm just writing this because I'm bored

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[–] 48 points 1 day ago (29 children)

Anime is just a specific subset of cartoon. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [+] -20 points 1 day ago (28 children)

    I think it depends on the topic being animated. It needs to be for satire, caricature, or humor.

    Anime horror is not a cartoon.

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  • [–] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    satire, caricature, or humor, and can be animated

    Man you chose a weird hill to die on. This fits you. You are a cartoon! Case in point case in point 2. I think someone could have a field day with these exchanges and it's quite meta (are we doing meta still?)

    ^^anime is japanese and/or korean and/or chinese cartoons^^

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  • [–] 22 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    "Cartoon" is a synonym for "animation."

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  • [+] -18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

    Incorrect.

    Most animation is for humor, so people mislabel all animation as a cartoon.

    Is A Scanner Darkly a cartoon? No.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    A Scanner Darkly isn't even straight animation. It's rotoscoped. But yes, it is technically a cartoon.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    The "technically a cartoon" part is what is being debated.

    "Animated design" is the definition in other languages (particularly in french, by its inventor). Yes a cartoon is an animated design, but not all animated designs are cartoons.

    Let's make it simple. Is a moving technical blueprint of a car engine a cartoon?

    • Promise kids an afternoon of cartoons and show them Mazda MX5 engines and you'll have a riot.

    • Tell an motor engineer that their CAD presentation is a cartoon and they will kick you out the meeting.

    No. Not all Animated Designs are cartoons.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (21 children)

    How the fuck is anime horror not a cartoon? It's the same type of media, that being drawn animation.

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  • [+] -18 points 1 day ago (20 children)

    Because for a cartoon the topic needs to be satire, caricature, or humor.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 day ago (19 children)

    Finish reading that sentence:

    The specific meaning has evolved, but the modern usage usually refers to either: an image or series of images intended satire, caricature, or humor; or a motion picture that relies on a sequence of illustrations for its animation

    All anime is cartoon.

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  • [+] -13 points 1 day ago (18 children)

    A scanner darkly relies on a sequence of illustrations for its animation, but it is not a cartoon.

    Every frame of Loving Vincent is an oil painting and would not be considered a cartoon.

    Waltz with Bashir would not be called a cartoon even though the drawn style matches popular cartoons.

    A counterexample of your final claim. Grave of the Fireflies is an anime about children during World War II. It is not a cartoon.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago (17 children)

    "Cartoon" isn't a genre, it's a technique. All of the films you've listed are cartoons. Because, by definition, they're a series of illustrations. Animation = cartoon = anime.

    How you feel about the subject matter is irrelevant.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 day ago (16 children)

    None of the films listed are cartoons, because none are satire, caricature, or created for humor.

    I agree my feelings are irrelevant. I'm quoting Wikipedia

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  • [–] 6 points 22 hours ago (10 children)

    a motion picture that relies on a sequence of illustrations for its animation

    You really ought to read the links you post

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  • [–] -4 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

    Yes, Cartoons rely on a sequence of illustrations for their animation.

    No, not all motion picture that rely on a sequence of illustrations for its animation are cartoons.

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  • [–] 6 points 21 hours ago (8 children)

    The semi-colon indicates a related thought. The or after the semi-colon indicates it is a discrete element. Either part of the sentence is correct, just not complete. So yes, given that English is not static, a motion picture created with a sequence of illustrations is a cartoon, as per Wikipedia. The topic of the animation is not relevant to that part of the statement.

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  • [–] -5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (7 children)

    The creators of Loving Vincent would be offended at their work being called a cartoon.

    It certainly isn't described as a cartoon. Take a look at the wiki describingLoving Vincent.

    This counter example is sufficient to prove my point.

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  • [–] 5 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    You seem very firm on the idea of cartoon not meaning animated video. I don't think any one person or group is in charge of what words mean in English, but I'm certain it isn't you, or the makers of Loving Vincent, for that matter. Even the Wikipedia article you referenced doesn't agree with you, which I can only assume you accept since you're now going with the stance of "Cartoons can't be fine art. This is fine art, so it can't be a cartoon." I reject both elements of that statement.

    Ultimately, your whole argument has been a series of appeals to authority, but merely as a defense of your opinion since you will change authorities if they don't agree with you. This makes you the authority in your appeal to authority. I'm not a child and you're not my parent. You also aren't my boss. Why do you think your authority, a random stranger on the internet, would matter to me, another random stranger on the internet?

    All that said, this is your opinion, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, even when they're wrong. Just don't expect everyone else to agree with it.

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  • [–] -3 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Even the Wikipedia article you referenced doesn't agree with you,

    It shows cartoons are satire, caricature, or humor, and can be animated.

    Animated images that are not satire, caricature, or humor, are not cartoons.

    Moving from fine art to engineering. A gif of how an engine functions is not a cartoon. Not all animated images are cartoons.

    your whole argument has been a series of appeals to authority

    No. My argument is proof by counter example. I give many examples where moving images are not cartoons. My other approach is linguistic. In many languages the phrase is animated design, and the cartoon reference stems from the funny pages of a newspaper.

    The American "cartoon" banket usage is down to the low cultural impact of foreign media and overdisneyfication.

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  • [–] 6 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    Okay, you're reading comprehension is failing. I'm not even getting into that. I'm sorry that you don't grasp how commas, semi-colons, and the word or work in a sentence.

    Now, who says those things aren't cartoons? You? Everyone? People who don't speak English as a first language and therefore imply nuance that native speakers don't? And right or wrong, there are a number of dialects in the English language. Does a flat refer to a tire or a place people live? Which definition is wrong? Is it possible the answer is neither?

    What does the word gay, or coke, mean? Is that today's definition? How about 100 years ago? 200 years ago? Do you think the definition for the word cartoon can't or hasn't changed? Why do you think your opinion on that has any bearing on the fact of it?

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  • [–] -4 points 19 hours ago

    Now, who says those things aren't cartoons?

    Engineers, film makers, critics

    You?

    Yes

    Everyone?

    Well, obviously not you.

    People who don't speak English as a first language and therefore imply nuance that native speakers don't?

    Correct. Particularly the French inventors of the medium. There they are animated designs.

    Does a flat refer to a tire or a place people live? Which definition is wrong? Is it possible the answer is neither?

    Calling all sparking wine champagne isn't wrong. It just makes you sound like an idiot.

    What does the word gay, or coke, mean? Is that today's definition?

    The problem is that you are wanting to refer to all LGBTQ+ people as gay and all soft drinks as coke.

    Do you think the definition for the word cartoon can't or hasn't changed?

    I don't disagree that it has expanded from print to film. The problem is that it hasn't expanded as far as you think.

    Why do you think your opinion on that has any bearing on the fact of it?

    Ditto.

    However, I have reinforced my opinion with links and counter arguments. So far your bluster is only hot air.

    Go on. Show me the winners of the "Oscar for best Cartoon".

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Gotcha, so you’re just content in your bubble. I've already shown you that's not the whole sentence, and the very wiki article you've linked refutes what you’re saying.

    Go enjoy your cartoons.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    This debate doesn't exist in French. It is the Americanization of the word that is incorrect.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Je ne savais pas que cette discussion était en français ou à propos de la France.

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