▲ 224 ▼ Your reminder to remove the microphone from your TV remote today (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 days ago by cm0002@lemdro.id to c/privacy@programming.dev 59 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 6 days ago (21 children) Microphone? They put microphones in TV remotes nowadays? permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] Telorand@reddthat.com 23 points 6 days ago (15 children) Yes, it's for "easy searching." I dunno about current offerings, but even Roku boxes from five-ish years ago had them; you'd hold a button and talk into the remote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] trebach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 child) They still have them. This was from a Roku stick but has been repurposed for Flirc. The devices it was once connected to had a productive meeting with a pipe wrench. The mic is right below the power button and you held down the mic button above the play/pause button to use the voice search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago* Roku remotes are perfect for Flirc dongles. I repurposed one for Flirc as well. The Roku device it was attached to is long gone 😅 I wonder if the microphone can be repurposed for similar shenanigans? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago (12 children) Why? What can I say to remote? "Switch to channel 15?" Isn't it easier to press a button? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (7 children) It's for searching (so you don't have to type words on a virtual key pad with a remote with no alpha-numeric key pad). It would actually be OK, if they all had a hardware switch that cut power to the mic, but I doubt that how they work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (5 children) Having the mic on the remote always on and streaming back to the host would drain the battery in about a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Less. They're usually just a couple AAAs, so like 1800 mAh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago It's scary how much data you can transmit with those batteries on optimized hardware. I have IoT things eating more data than a cheap voice call that last months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago I recall it being about a day when I worked on those exact devices. For comparison, my tiny Bluetooth earpiece can run for about six hours. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) I don't know how they work but I would assume that the mic is not always streaming, as you say it can't be due to battery. I do not feel comfortable to assume that there is ZERO possibility that the mic can be made to stream without the physical button pressed ... ... unless I did the work to understand how it's wired and controlled, something I don't care to do. So I'll just assume they are unsafe spy devices until proven otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago Fair enough. I certainly don't have the schematics for any of those devices made in the 2020s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* Pretty sure the Roku remote went to that. Physical button to turn on off it listening for hey Roku commands, but the physical button could instigate it to listen as well. Haven't ever cared to look into them though, so it could be a lie permalink fedilink source parent [–] shynoise@beehaw.org 7 points 6 days ago How often are you switching channels these days?? It's to search instead of using the on-screen keyboard via remote. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElJefe@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 child) Streaming services have a search feature, but you have to scroll through each letter of the alphabet to spell out whatever you’re looking for. The microphone does away with both this process, and privacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 6 days ago It would be okay if it was local, and a simple voice recognition could work. Smart phones have that ability when the connection isn't present. But they're going to make it cloud driven because that's easier and opens up more "features". permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago yeah, but maybe you're blind and mostly just listen? I don't know. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 5 days ago Yeah? It's to use voice controls. Been a thing even before "smart" TVs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 6 points 6 days ago Yep. Smart TVs doing Smart TV things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago Have you been living under a rock? Microphone-equipped remotes have been a thing for years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago People will literally buy anything that invades their privacy permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago This technology has been around for at least fifteen years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 23 points 6 days ago (15 children) Yes, it's for "easy searching." I dunno about current offerings, but even Roku boxes from five-ish years ago had them; you'd hold a button and talk into the remote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] trebach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 child) They still have them. This was from a Roku stick but has been repurposed for Flirc. The devices it was once connected to had a productive meeting with a pipe wrench. The mic is right below the power button and you held down the mic button above the play/pause button to use the voice search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago* Roku remotes are perfect for Flirc dongles. I repurposed one for Flirc as well. The Roku device it was attached to is long gone 😅 I wonder if the microphone can be repurposed for similar shenanigans? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent [–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago (12 children) Why? What can I say to remote? "Switch to channel 15?" Isn't it easier to press a button? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (7 children) It's for searching (so you don't have to type words on a virtual key pad with a remote with no alpha-numeric key pad). It would actually be OK, if they all had a hardware switch that cut power to the mic, but I doubt that how they work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (5 children) Having the mic on the remote always on and streaming back to the host would drain the battery in about a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Less. They're usually just a couple AAAs, so like 1800 mAh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago It's scary how much data you can transmit with those batteries on optimized hardware. I have IoT things eating more data than a cheap voice call that last months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago I recall it being about a day when I worked on those exact devices. For comparison, my tiny Bluetooth earpiece can run for about six hours. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) I don't know how they work but I would assume that the mic is not always streaming, as you say it can't be due to battery. I do not feel comfortable to assume that there is ZERO possibility that the mic can be made to stream without the physical button pressed ... ... unless I did the work to understand how it's wired and controlled, something I don't care to do. So I'll just assume they are unsafe spy devices until proven otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago Fair enough. I certainly don't have the schematics for any of those devices made in the 2020s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* Pretty sure the Roku remote went to that. Physical button to turn on off it listening for hey Roku commands, but the physical button could instigate it to listen as well. Haven't ever cared to look into them though, so it could be a lie permalink fedilink source parent [–] shynoise@beehaw.org 7 points 6 days ago How often are you switching channels these days?? It's to search instead of using the on-screen keyboard via remote. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElJefe@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 child) Streaming services have a search feature, but you have to scroll through each letter of the alphabet to spell out whatever you’re looking for. The microphone does away with both this process, and privacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 6 days ago It would be okay if it was local, and a simple voice recognition could work. Smart phones have that ability when the connection isn't present. But they're going to make it cloud driven because that's easier and opens up more "features". permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago yeah, but maybe you're blind and mostly just listen? I don't know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trebach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 child) They still have them. This was from a Roku stick but has been repurposed for Flirc. The devices it was once connected to had a productive meeting with a pipe wrench. The mic is right below the power button and you held down the mic button above the play/pause button to use the voice search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago* Roku remotes are perfect for Flirc dongles. I repurposed one for Flirc as well. The Roku device it was attached to is long gone 😅 I wonder if the microphone can be repurposed for similar shenanigans? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 5 days ago* Roku remotes are perfect for Flirc dongles. I repurposed one for Flirc as well. The Roku device it was attached to is long gone 😅 I wonder if the microphone can be repurposed for similar shenanigans? 🤔 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago (12 children) Why? What can I say to remote? "Switch to channel 15?" Isn't it easier to press a button? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (7 children) It's for searching (so you don't have to type words on a virtual key pad with a remote with no alpha-numeric key pad). It would actually be OK, if they all had a hardware switch that cut power to the mic, but I doubt that how they work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (5 children) Having the mic on the remote always on and streaming back to the host would drain the battery in about a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Less. They're usually just a couple AAAs, so like 1800 mAh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago It's scary how much data you can transmit with those batteries on optimized hardware. I have IoT things eating more data than a cheap voice call that last months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago I recall it being about a day when I worked on those exact devices. For comparison, my tiny Bluetooth earpiece can run for about six hours. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) I don't know how they work but I would assume that the mic is not always streaming, as you say it can't be due to battery. I do not feel comfortable to assume that there is ZERO possibility that the mic can be made to stream without the physical button pressed ... ... unless I did the work to understand how it's wired and controlled, something I don't care to do. So I'll just assume they are unsafe spy devices until proven otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago Fair enough. I certainly don't have the schematics for any of those devices made in the 2020s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* Pretty sure the Roku remote went to that. Physical button to turn on off it listening for hey Roku commands, but the physical button could instigate it to listen as well. Haven't ever cared to look into them though, so it could be a lie permalink fedilink source parent [–] shynoise@beehaw.org 7 points 6 days ago How often are you switching channels these days?? It's to search instead of using the on-screen keyboard via remote. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ElJefe@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 child) Streaming services have a search feature, but you have to scroll through each letter of the alphabet to spell out whatever you’re looking for. The microphone does away with both this process, and privacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 6 days ago It would be okay if it was local, and a simple voice recognition could work. Smart phones have that ability when the connection isn't present. But they're going to make it cloud driven because that's easier and opens up more "features". permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago yeah, but maybe you're blind and mostly just listen? I don't know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (7 children) It's for searching (so you don't have to type words on a virtual key pad with a remote with no alpha-numeric key pad). It would actually be OK, if they all had a hardware switch that cut power to the mic, but I doubt that how they work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (5 children) Having the mic on the remote always on and streaming back to the host would drain the battery in about a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Less. They're usually just a couple AAAs, so like 1800 mAh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago It's scary how much data you can transmit with those batteries on optimized hardware. I have IoT things eating more data than a cheap voice call that last months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago I recall it being about a day when I worked on those exact devices. For comparison, my tiny Bluetooth earpiece can run for about six hours. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) I don't know how they work but I would assume that the mic is not always streaming, as you say it can't be due to battery. I do not feel comfortable to assume that there is ZERO possibility that the mic can be made to stream without the physical button pressed ... ... unless I did the work to understand how it's wired and controlled, something I don't care to do. So I'll just assume they are unsafe spy devices until proven otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago Fair enough. I certainly don't have the schematics for any of those devices made in the 2020s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* Pretty sure the Roku remote went to that. Physical button to turn on off it listening for hey Roku commands, but the physical button could instigate it to listen as well. Haven't ever cared to look into them though, so it could be a lie permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (5 children) Having the mic on the remote always on and streaming back to the host would drain the battery in about a day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Less. They're usually just a couple AAAs, so like 1800 mAh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago It's scary how much data you can transmit with those batteries on optimized hardware. I have IoT things eating more data than a cheap voice call that last months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago I recall it being about a day when I worked on those exact devices. For comparison, my tiny Bluetooth earpiece can run for about six hours. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) I don't know how they work but I would assume that the mic is not always streaming, as you say it can't be due to battery. I do not feel comfortable to assume that there is ZERO possibility that the mic can be made to stream without the physical button pressed ... ... unless I did the work to understand how it's wired and controlled, something I don't care to do. So I'll just assume they are unsafe spy devices until proven otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago Fair enough. I certainly don't have the schematics for any of those devices made in the 2020s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Less. They're usually just a couple AAAs, so like 1800 mAh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago It's scary how much data you can transmit with those batteries on optimized hardware. I have IoT things eating more data than a cheap voice call that last months. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago I recall it being about a day when I worked on those exact devices. For comparison, my tiny Bluetooth earpiece can run for about six hours. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SirLeToet@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago It's scary how much data you can transmit with those batteries on optimized hardware. I have IoT things eating more data than a cheap voice call that last months. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago I recall it being about a day when I worked on those exact devices. For comparison, my tiny Bluetooth earpiece can run for about six hours. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) I don't know how they work but I would assume that the mic is not always streaming, as you say it can't be due to battery. I do not feel comfortable to assume that there is ZERO possibility that the mic can be made to stream without the physical button pressed ... ... unless I did the work to understand how it's wired and controlled, something I don't care to do. So I'll just assume they are unsafe spy devices until proven otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago Fair enough. I certainly don't have the schematics for any of those devices made in the 2020s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago Fair enough. I certainly don't have the schematics for any of those devices made in the 2020s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* Pretty sure the Roku remote went to that. Physical button to turn on off it listening for hey Roku commands, but the physical button could instigate it to listen as well. Haven't ever cared to look into them though, so it could be a lie permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shynoise@beehaw.org 7 points 6 days ago How often are you switching channels these days?? It's to search instead of using the on-screen keyboard via remote. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ElJefe@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (1 child) Streaming services have a search feature, but you have to scroll through each letter of the alphabet to spell out whatever you’re looking for. The microphone does away with both this process, and privacy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 6 days ago It would be okay if it was local, and a simple voice recognition could work. Smart phones have that ability when the connection isn't present. But they're going to make it cloud driven because that's easier and opens up more "features". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 6 points 6 days ago It would be okay if it was local, and a simple voice recognition could work. Smart phones have that ability when the connection isn't present. But they're going to make it cloud driven because that's easier and opens up more "features". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago yeah, but maybe you're blind and mostly just listen? I don't know. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 5 days ago Yeah? It's to use voice controls. Been a thing even before "smart" TVs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 6 points 6 days ago Yep. Smart TVs doing Smart TV things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago Have you been living under a rock? Microphone-equipped remotes have been a thing for years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago People will literally buy anything that invades their privacy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago This technology has been around for at least fifteen years. permalink fedilink source parent