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We’re the mayors of Paris, Milan and Phoenix. The heat crisis has us all facing the same question | Emmanuel Grégoire, Giuseppe Sala and Kate Gallego (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] [S] 6 points 1 day ago (7 children)

We also need policies that ban all ICE cars - including Diesel cars - except emergency vehicles during and just before heat waves. They cause photochemical smog, which contains ozone, a highly toxic gas which in heat waves is deadly for people with pulmonary problems.

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  • [–] 7 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

    We also need policies that ban all ICE cars - including Diesel cars - except emergency vehicles during and just before heat waves.

    That would imply that you can satisfy the need of people to move (work, groceries, life in general) with the public transportation system, which I highly doubt.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    Works already fine for cities like Paris, Berlin, Copenhagen and so on. Driving a ptivate car for transportation is for max comfort, not for need.

    And also, heat waves are catastrophic emergencies which kill thousands of people. Wishes for mere comfort cannot have priority then.

    Reasonable, few exceptions for really important things - I have no problem with that. But getting some bread rolls from a shop 1 kilometer away? Leave your Benz. Take the bike.

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  • [–] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    Works already fine for cities like Paris, Berlin, Copenhagen and so on. Driving a ptivate car for transportation is for max comfort, not for need.

    If you think that using less than 2 hours to go to work using a car instead of public transportation (and the same to return home if you are lucky) is just only for max comfort feel free to do it, no problem, but you are joking yourself.
    Yep, there are solutions to this but since people need to work also during heat waves, banning ICE car without the corresponding increase of the public transportation is a stupid idea. And the current state of most of the public transportation is that they would not be able to sustain weeks with a total ban of ICE cars, simpy there are not enough vehicles and drivers. And you cannot expand the fleet on a whim.

    But now think how your idea can work in places (small cities, villages and so on) where a public transportation system is not feasible because it is not justified in cost and usage. How people move ? In small cities you have not all the services you may need like in a big cities, and it is logical, but neverless these services are still needed.

    And also, heat waves are catastrophic emergencies which kill thousands of people. Wishes for mere comfort cannot have priority then.

    True, but you were confusing a necessity for mere comfort in places that are not yet, and probably never will, ready to what you suggest.

    Reasonable, few exceptions for really important things - I have no problem with that. But getting some bread rolls from a shop 1 kilometer away? Leave your Benz. Take the bike.

    I can, and I do, if I have the shop nearby. But I am honest enough to understand that not everything can be done this way and that not everyone can do this way.

    Heat waves are a problem, no doubt, but you don't solve it only thinking to big cities, like for pollution.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 14 hours ago*

    Heat waves are a problem, no doubt, but you don’t solve it only thinking to big cities, like for pollution.

    No, like the OP The Guardian article, I was talking about larger cities which have decent public transport. They are also hotter than their surroundings which makes relief more important.

    Though specifically ozone is also problem in suburbia; it is formed there during the day by photochemical smog, but decomposes way slower than in the direct city areas.

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  • [–] 2 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Half the summer is heat waves, and we also have some in spring and fall. So who's paying for the lost wages and companies' income? Don't get me wrong, it would be great but I only see it possible in a utopian, idilic world in which it wouldn't be necessary. If it costs more (to the rich and powerful) than the health problems no chance that is happening?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 child)

    So who’s paying for the lost wages and companies’ income?

    I'd suggest fossil oil and gas companies. The causal link was clearly shown by science, and everyone is liable for damages he or she causes. Including companies. Why should it be different this time?

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  • [–] 2 points 19 hours ago

    Fuck the fossil fuel industry. But what you're saying is that's gonna be us, the workers, paying for our own wages and our bosses lost profit when we pay double for the gas to go to work the days there isn't a heatwave. If we had a way to punish fossil fuel companies we would've done it already and those policies wouldn't be needed.

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