Mercedes-Benz management warned that it plans to close one of its plants in Germany and move production to Eastern Europe if employees do not agree to cost-cutting measures. Wirtschaftswoche reports this, citing company sources, with UNN reporting, citing Bild.

According to the publication, management is demanding that employees give up some benefits, including vacation pay and Christmas bonuses, as well as reconsider the 35-hour workweek. Management believes that current conditions are making German plants less competitive amid

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[–] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

Exactly what did they sell out? Exactly what technology did China "steal" from Mercedes?
Car manufacturing has been a global business for more than half a century. Should they just ignore a major emerging market?

To get a car certified to be sold in China, you need to get a certification, where you need to provide all technical plans and documents for them to be certified. Most of the time a year later there would be a quite similar looking car from a Chinese brand. Collected data about the car and customer is stored on Chinese servers, where the government has access to.

So I am pretty sure they would never give any of that data to their own manufacturing companies...

Of course they should sell their cars there, but they should have also prepared for what will happen in the long term. They kept selling petrol cars, because they were are the most profitable cars.

Yes the Chip shortage had the effect that car prices increased, making each car more profitable to sell.
But the after effect was a near recession and inflation where profits and sales fell back. Only helped partially and regionally subsidizing EV sales.

Their sales of petrol cars gone down in China the last few years and this is where they make the most profits.

Doesn't change the fact that Mercedes today make the best electric cars on the market without comparison. So they must have done a heck of a lot more than just laughing.

If they make the best cars, why no one wants them? The sales figures don't show it. Teslas are expensive still sell a lot higher volume.

Don't get me wrong, I would hope they do better, as I hate Musk and his Swasticars. I am from Germany and would like our economy doing well, but they should take their fair share, why we are in this situation today.

The management of the German car makers made a bunch of bad decisions and now the employees have to take the burden.

For example an S-class brings about 8000€ of profits, EVs are no way near that. And they sold most of their most profitable cars in China. Now this has gone back a lot and they are missing this income.

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    Most of the time a year later there would be a quite similar looking car from a Chinese brand.

    If the chain is as you suggest that the Chinese authorities hand over documentation for Chinese manufacturers to copy, that would be an issue for EU.
    I don't believe things happened quite the way you suspect. But for instance Xiaomi when they developed the SU7 had European designers on it, and they chose to copy Porsche.
    But good design elements have a tendency to spread, and Xiaomi does not make a secret of where their inspiration came from.
    You don't have to give the specs to Chinese authorities for that to happen. Every manufacturer can buy a European car, and tear it apart to see how every component is built.

    Their sales of petrol cars gone down in China the last few years

    That's happening to everybody, including Chinese car makers. I don't get what you point is with that?

    IDK about other countries, but Mercedes seems about as popular as it always was here:
    https://fdm.dk/nyheder/nyt-om-trafik-og-biler/elektrisk-bilsalg-elbiler-har-kurs-mod-90-procent

    With 3 models in the top 25, it's not exactly bad for a brand that is more expensive than the competitors.
    2 models beat Tesla model 3, which is a cheap crap car, and all 3 models beat VW ID.3 which is a very decent car, and they all beat the Chinese Zeekr which is a new darling in the market. In the list 13 models are German brands, which make German cars just beat 50%!!
    In fact Mercedes and BMW are the only luxury brands on the list!

    Notably Volvo and Polestar are out completely! And that's significant because in Denmark we have always bought many cars from Sweden!
    It is also notable that the field is pretty narrow, so although Mercedes is a bit down the list, the sales are not that much behind.
    But in China the market is dominated by subsidized Chinese cars, in an exploding market, and in USA tariffs have nearly destroyed the market for cars made in Europe.
    So European car makers are not doing great internationally ATM. Not because of incompetence, but because of a very tough even hostile market for European cars.

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