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They punch left to protect and defend the right (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 66 points 4 days ago (28 children)

I love how the most basic social democratic(at best) policies in the US are framed as "socialism"

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  • [–] 40 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    The idea of the "undeserving" getting anything provided to them gets a lot of people very angry here. And then those same people probably:

    • Call themselves good Christians.
    • Are beneficiaries of some sort of public welfare whether they realize it or not.
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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    If they're opposed to "socialism" as Fox News uses the term because some of the recipients aren't "deserving", they have started far from the words attributed to Jesus and God in the Christian Bible.

    https://biblerepository.com/bible-verses-about-socialism/

    Matthew 25:35

    “For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

    (And if you think this quote is out of context, go read the chapter. Jesus is depicted literally telling his followers that to get into heaven they need to take care of the poor.)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    I'm so happy that Fox News basically broke the overton window.

    So many good and honestly just common sense things have been declared "SOCIALISM!!!1!ELEVEN!!" that some Fox viewers are now going: "You know, that socialism thing don't sound half bad." That's the shit that happens when you overuse your scary word to describe positive things. Eventually you're advertising for your opponents.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    Technically it is, no? Socialism is community ownership of the means of production which includes labor. And that can arguably be extended to socialized services for labor such has healthcare, public transportation, and grocery stores.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Social democracy is not socialism by any metric, socialism starts at ownership of the means of production by workers, and a state that works for the proletariat and not capitalists. That's the starting point, from there you can then add whatever social programs on top, but if you don't start from there you're still in a bourgeois democracy

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  • [–] -3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I disagree, socialist institutions or services can still exist within a capitalist government, even if it is piecemeal. There doesn't have to be a threshhold to pass for some aspect to be considered socialism.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    To expand upon you: examples of such institutions or policies would be free healthcare, universal basic income, but also places like libraries. You could even call (financial) support for housing & children, as well as progressive taxes socialist - despite the system in which they exist being capitalist.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    And often times it's capitalists implementing (slightly) social policies to take arguments away from their opposition.

    Germany has the oldest socialized healthcare system in the world (and it shows its age) because Otto von Bismarck needed to take that talking point away from the left.

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  • [+] -16 points 4 days ago (17 children)

    Leftists who keep looking down on liberals are just as bad as the liberals the meme is about.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago (13 children)

    Nah liberals are fucking stupid. Go suck a billionaire dick for a campaign donation.

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  • [+] -13 points 4 days ago (12 children)

    This attitude is why the right is winning. The left, both leftists and liberals, would rather keep gatekeeping what counts as left than actually make any progress to the left.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (9 children)

    billionaire dick sucking noises

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  • [+] -6 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    Trust me, those noises are coming from the people eating up the liberal vs leftist propaganda.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    That’s you. You think liberals are leftists.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    You should work on your reading comprehension. I never said that. I said that I think they should stop fighting each other.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    Because you think they’re on the same side. They aren’t. Liberals are right of center. Why the fuck would leftists compromise with right wing politics?

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  • [–] -4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    Because the alternative is letting the far right win.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Liberals support everything the far right is doing. They’re part of the ratchet that prevents actual leftward momentum from ever occurring. Fuck liberals.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Yes they are, and so is this attitude from leftists. As long as both sides remain stubborn the far right will continue to win.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Lmao you are really fucking stupid if you think calling out right wing shitheads for being right wing shitheads is blocking movement to the left. Fuck you chud.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    We don't look down on liberals. They are our enemies. Underestimating the enemy is key to losing any battle.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 days ago

    Some guy: "Hey, can we move the overton window to the left? We need to talk about socialized healthcare and common sense welfare programs so the poors don't starve."

    Lemmy.ml: "YOU ARE THE ENEMY! FASCIST FASCIST! Social Democracy is just there to keep the revolution from happening!"

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