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US will ask Europe to repay all aid sent to Ukraine, Trump says (www.euronews.com)
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[–] 10 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

It’s a survey about what people in some countries in the eu want. Lots of stuff. Not a single question explicitly about Greenland. But evidence that can lead to more informed opinions (eg countries who wouldn’t mind sending troops to Ukraine now which isn’t an eu country).

I know it’s a lot of work making inferences from data where you can’t just ctrl f a word and get an answer.

But the overall picture isn’t that citizens of the eu are feeling passive and just going to write letters. And I know that wasn’t a question either. Tricky is this thing called evidence.

And this was just one survey of many that exist.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    First, what EU citizens want isn't the deciding factor here; EU leadership won't get into a hot war with America their constituents be damned. Second, tell me which parts of that article you think support your conclusion and how. I can't respond to an argument you only made in your head. "EU citizens don't like America and want to be independent from it" does not lead to "EU citizens would support a hot war with America over Greenland" which does not lead to "EU leadership will get into a hot war with America over Greenland." Third, I'm getting tired of your condescension and won't respond again if you keep talking like this.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    European or non European nations don’t have to get into a hot war with the US to affect and sway outcomes, it simply has to announce plans to call in debts, sell bonds, stop buying bonds, replace the dollar as a trade/international currency, recall any stored gold in the US treasury, implement trade agreements with nations outside the us while announcing embargoes on US goods, tariff necessary goods from the US to force their nationals to find alternatives or reduce use.

    That would throw the US into a full blown depression and would reduce capabilities to manufacture weapons and goods for general public use so hard the US would be forced to capitulate to demands for withdrawal from any NATO nation.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    Remind me how well did that work with germany during the depression?

    A wounded rabid animal is still dangerous.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Germany wasn’t running out of critical surface to air weapons, wasn’t spread thin, and didn’t have a string of successful hits on various bases pushing back carriers from taking harbor for critical repairs and resupply. We do have that situation now thanks to an inept administration. Comparing the two doesn’t make any sense, but I agree both administrations are full of Nazis.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    Any economic damage taken by America would be at least matched in Europe, so EU leadership (and citizens) would have to be willing to throw their own economies into a depression to do the same to the US, assuming it's even possible to do so. That aside, I doubt even that scenario would stop Trump and co.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago

    Any European nation that bucked the US dollar and trade would immediately be courted by China and a few other nations that want to open trade up there, China LOVES throwing money at an economy to make nations beholden to them to ensure a long term relationship and trade partnership. Just ask Africa. European nations might actually do BETTER if they took that deal than they’re doing now, because clearly being allies with us isn’t doing shit for them.

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