▲ 853 ▼ I rented a car, and within hours, my driver's license was for sale (arstechnica.com) submitted 1 month ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 197 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 27 points 1 month ago* (13 children) Why would they do that? What's the use of scanning it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Steve@startrek.website 60 points 1 month ago (1 child) It keeps liquor prices down because you get the extra revenue from selling the scans. Try to keep up smh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago You're the product. The alcohol is just the lure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] socphoenix@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago It validates against the states license database to confirm it’s a legitimate ID and not a fake. permalink fedilink source parent [–] walden@wetshav.ing 11 points 1 month ago (5 children) It's hooked up to a database to make sure it's not a fake ID. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago* (2 children) Is that really what’s going on? I always thought the barcode just contained the ID number and your information. Can probably be validated that the format is correct very easily, but you can use the correct format with incorrect data easily. I assumed the scan was still offline validation. Because if the database isn’t networkable from their store, I imagine they aren’t causing any issues in the sales process. So you would only need to precompile and print a valid barcode with correct-looking data. Probably won’t work for a police dispatch, who I’m sure are going to use online validation when they run the ID. But I’d swear that level of sophistication isn’t in gas stations yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I don't know what kind of cards you have over there, but couldn't it just contain all required information including photo, digitally signed by the government? Wouldn't need the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago Yeah, it could be digitally signed for offline verification. But I’m doubtful there’s enough standardization going on that corporations are integrating signature verification right there in the POS system. They’d need the public keys from the government, presumably. That doesn’t sound too difficult but also, setting up a process to get that info for all 50 states would probably be a mess. Do the states even sign the info to start — that’s another question. I think the infrastructure can be deployed. Though, I get the impression it would take more coordination than we actually see here in the wild. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan1101@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago At best they are keeping an audit trail to be sure the clerk didn't sell alcohol to an underage person. But even if they aren't already I figure it will get retained and used in some manner. Marketing, insurance, who knows? Lots of data brokers would buy information on who buys alcohol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago I highly doubt that permalink fedilink source parent [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago The stated justification is that it somehow catches forgeries that altered the front of an ID but didn’t make the barcode information match. That might have been justifiable in like 1980 or something, but it’s reaaaaaaally not hard to generate the correct barcode these days if you’re forging an ID. The real reason is to track and sell more data about you. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago I think some states might literally require it permalink fedilink source parent [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago It's for the children's safety, like age verification permalink fedilink source parent [–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 0 points 1 month ago Prevents fake IDs. Or, makes them much harder really. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@startrek.website 60 points 1 month ago (1 child) It keeps liquor prices down because you get the extra revenue from selling the scans. Try to keep up smh permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago You're the product. The alcohol is just the lure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago You're the product. The alcohol is just the lure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socphoenix@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago It validates against the states license database to confirm it’s a legitimate ID and not a fake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] walden@wetshav.ing 11 points 1 month ago (5 children) It's hooked up to a database to make sure it's not a fake ID. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago* (2 children) Is that really what’s going on? I always thought the barcode just contained the ID number and your information. Can probably be validated that the format is correct very easily, but you can use the correct format with incorrect data easily. I assumed the scan was still offline validation. Because if the database isn’t networkable from their store, I imagine they aren’t causing any issues in the sales process. So you would only need to precompile and print a valid barcode with correct-looking data. Probably won’t work for a police dispatch, who I’m sure are going to use online validation when they run the ID. But I’d swear that level of sophistication isn’t in gas stations yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I don't know what kind of cards you have over there, but couldn't it just contain all required information including photo, digitally signed by the government? Wouldn't need the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago Yeah, it could be digitally signed for offline verification. But I’m doubtful there’s enough standardization going on that corporations are integrating signature verification right there in the POS system. They’d need the public keys from the government, presumably. That doesn’t sound too difficult but also, setting up a process to get that info for all 50 states would probably be a mess. Do the states even sign the info to start — that’s another question. I think the infrastructure can be deployed. Though, I get the impression it would take more coordination than we actually see here in the wild. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan1101@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago At best they are keeping an audit trail to be sure the clerk didn't sell alcohol to an underage person. But even if they aren't already I figure it will get retained and used in some manner. Marketing, insurance, who knows? Lots of data brokers would buy information on who buys alcohol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago I highly doubt that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago* (2 children) Is that really what’s going on? I always thought the barcode just contained the ID number and your information. Can probably be validated that the format is correct very easily, but you can use the correct format with incorrect data easily. I assumed the scan was still offline validation. Because if the database isn’t networkable from their store, I imagine they aren’t causing any issues in the sales process. So you would only need to precompile and print a valid barcode with correct-looking data. Probably won’t work for a police dispatch, who I’m sure are going to use online validation when they run the ID. But I’d swear that level of sophistication isn’t in gas stations yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I don't know what kind of cards you have over there, but couldn't it just contain all required information including photo, digitally signed by the government? Wouldn't need the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago Yeah, it could be digitally signed for offline verification. But I’m doubtful there’s enough standardization going on that corporations are integrating signature verification right there in the POS system. They’d need the public keys from the government, presumably. That doesn’t sound too difficult but also, setting up a process to get that info for all 50 states would probably be a mess. Do the states even sign the info to start — that’s another question. I think the infrastructure can be deployed. Though, I get the impression it would take more coordination than we actually see here in the wild. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child) I don't know what kind of cards you have over there, but couldn't it just contain all required information including photo, digitally signed by the government? Wouldn't need the internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago Yeah, it could be digitally signed for offline verification. But I’m doubtful there’s enough standardization going on that corporations are integrating signature verification right there in the POS system. They’d need the public keys from the government, presumably. That doesn’t sound too difficult but also, setting up a process to get that info for all 50 states would probably be a mess. Do the states even sign the info to start — that’s another question. I think the infrastructure can be deployed. Though, I get the impression it would take more coordination than we actually see here in the wild. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago Yeah, it could be digitally signed for offline verification. But I’m doubtful there’s enough standardization going on that corporations are integrating signature verification right there in the POS system. They’d need the public keys from the government, presumably. That doesn’t sound too difficult but also, setting up a process to get that info for all 50 states would probably be a mess. Do the states even sign the info to start — that’s another question. I think the infrastructure can be deployed. Though, I get the impression it would take more coordination than we actually see here in the wild. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago At best they are keeping an audit trail to be sure the clerk didn't sell alcohol to an underage person. But even if they aren't already I figure it will get retained and used in some manner. Marketing, insurance, who knows? Lots of data brokers would buy information on who buys alcohol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago I highly doubt that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago The stated justification is that it somehow catches forgeries that altered the front of an ID but didn’t make the barcode information match. That might have been justifiable in like 1980 or something, but it’s reaaaaaaally not hard to generate the correct barcode these days if you’re forging an ID. The real reason is to track and sell more data about you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 1 month ago I think some states might literally require it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago It's for the children's safety, like age verification permalink fedilink source parent
[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 0 points 1 month ago Prevents fake IDs. Or, makes them much harder really. permalink fedilink source parent