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[+] Asetru@feddit.org -24 points 22 hours ago (4 children) "Humans are destroying the planet and drive a lot of the fauna towards extinction. Let's blame..." spins wheel... "Cats." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Bademantel@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Plot twist: They are there because of us! There are many reasons why biodiversity is rapidly declining. That doesn't mean that cats are not wreaking havoc on the local bird population: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 2 points 19 hours ago I like how in their remediation suggestions they "gloss" over windows as an unavoidable bird genocide fact of life. Abolish windows! !fuckwindows@lemmy.world permalink fedilink source parent [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 1 point 21 hours ago* (1 child) Why are US numbers way off the chart for cats and windows? Is the US overrun with cats and murderous windows? How do you make sure the windows stay friendly towards humans? Do you export bad windows to Russia? There are so many questions... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bademantel@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 child) Because of population. It's basically this but comparing USA and Canada and showing it as a bar chart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Adjusting for population the numbers should only be 10 times higher, 1.96 billion for cats and 250 million for windows. Cats are close to equal but I'm still concerned about your windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) US has more regions with warm climates that birds live in year round. A lot of bird species only live in Canada half the year and then migrate south for winter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago We really need to emphasize data analysis more in school, that's obvious surface-level stuff they just didn't consider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago* Don’t fucking worry about the windows. K? permalink fedilink source parent [–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago Dude doesn't know what an invasive species is, or how cats got to Australia permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 6 points 20 hours ago (1 child) Yeah well cats aren't native to Australia, humans brought them here so that's on us, the common house cat is an apex predator here, cat owners need to take some responsibility for their murder machines or we end up with more 20 kg feral cats that can take out a kangaroo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (2 children) Nitpick, but cats aren't an "apex" predator in any environment. They are hunted by pretty much every carnivore at least as big as a coyote, including large birds of prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) They are apex predators in Australia. There are no large carnivors that take them out. Dingoes are not common, a cat would give a Goanna a run for its money, cats don't go in the water so sharks are a different environment, crocodiles live in a small portion of the country. A cat will hunt snakes, snakes will typically only defend, but not all snakes are poisonous and cats have been known to win against the poisonous ones. Wedge tailed eagles again are not everywhere and are mostly just scavengers. Emus are fucking idiots. When cats get out here they go feral and eat everything in the immediate area. The feral cats that have been feral for generations are significantly bigger and more aggressive than a house cat, and will actively attack sheep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (1 child) They are in New Zealand, where the problem is worse than in Australia. New Zealand has zero native land predators. There are some birds of prey that can hunt invasive stoats and rats, but cats are effectively uncontested (with the exception of humans performing population control). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* Fair enough, I should know better than to use absolute statements in nature and that does highlight the delicacy of small island ecology. (It's still true for Australia though which has enough dangerous animals for the domestic cat to be firmly a "mesopredator") permalink fedilink source parent [–] remon@ani.social 1 point 20 hours ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall%27s_wren permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bademantel@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Plot twist: They are there because of us! There are many reasons why biodiversity is rapidly declining. That doesn't mean that cats are not wreaking havoc on the local bird population: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 2 points 19 hours ago I like how in their remediation suggestions they "gloss" over windows as an unavoidable bird genocide fact of life. Abolish windows! !fuckwindows@lemmy.world permalink fedilink source parent [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 1 point 21 hours ago* (1 child) Why are US numbers way off the chart for cats and windows? Is the US overrun with cats and murderous windows? How do you make sure the windows stay friendly towards humans? Do you export bad windows to Russia? There are so many questions... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bademantel@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 child) Because of population. It's basically this but comparing USA and Canada and showing it as a bar chart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Adjusting for population the numbers should only be 10 times higher, 1.96 billion for cats and 250 million for windows. Cats are close to equal but I'm still concerned about your windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) US has more regions with warm climates that birds live in year round. A lot of bird species only live in Canada half the year and then migrate south for winter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago We really need to emphasize data analysis more in school, that's obvious surface-level stuff they just didn't consider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago* Don’t fucking worry about the windows. K? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zarobi@aussie.zone 2 points 19 hours ago I like how in their remediation suggestions they "gloss" over windows as an unavoidable bird genocide fact of life. Abolish windows! !fuckwindows@lemmy.world permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 1 point 21 hours ago* (1 child) Why are US numbers way off the chart for cats and windows? Is the US overrun with cats and murderous windows? How do you make sure the windows stay friendly towards humans? Do you export bad windows to Russia? There are so many questions... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bademantel@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 child) Because of population. It's basically this but comparing USA and Canada and showing it as a bar chart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Adjusting for population the numbers should only be 10 times higher, 1.96 billion for cats and 250 million for windows. Cats are close to equal but I'm still concerned about your windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) US has more regions with warm climates that birds live in year round. A lot of bird species only live in Canada half the year and then migrate south for winter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago We really need to emphasize data analysis more in school, that's obvious surface-level stuff they just didn't consider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago* Don’t fucking worry about the windows. K? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bademantel@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 child) Because of population. It's basically this but comparing USA and Canada and showing it as a bar chart. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Adjusting for population the numbers should only be 10 times higher, 1.96 billion for cats and 250 million for windows. Cats are close to equal but I'm still concerned about your windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) US has more regions with warm climates that birds live in year round. A lot of bird species only live in Canada half the year and then migrate south for winter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago We really need to emphasize data analysis more in school, that's obvious surface-level stuff they just didn't consider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago* Don’t fucking worry about the windows. K? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 21 hours ago (2 children) Adjusting for population the numbers should only be 10 times higher, 1.96 billion for cats and 250 million for windows. Cats are close to equal but I'm still concerned about your windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) US has more regions with warm climates that birds live in year round. A lot of bird species only live in Canada half the year and then migrate south for winter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago We really need to emphasize data analysis more in school, that's obvious surface-level stuff they just didn't consider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago* Don’t fucking worry about the windows. K? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (1 child) US has more regions with warm climates that birds live in year round. A lot of bird species only live in Canada half the year and then migrate south for winter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago We really need to emphasize data analysis more in school, that's obvious surface-level stuff they just didn't consider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago We really need to emphasize data analysis more in school, that's obvious surface-level stuff they just didn't consider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 18 hours ago* Don’t fucking worry about the windows. K? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago Dude doesn't know what an invasive species is, or how cats got to Australia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 6 points 20 hours ago (1 child) Yeah well cats aren't native to Australia, humans brought them here so that's on us, the common house cat is an apex predator here, cat owners need to take some responsibility for their murder machines or we end up with more 20 kg feral cats that can take out a kangaroo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (2 children) Nitpick, but cats aren't an "apex" predator in any environment. They are hunted by pretty much every carnivore at least as big as a coyote, including large birds of prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) They are apex predators in Australia. There are no large carnivors that take them out. Dingoes are not common, a cat would give a Goanna a run for its money, cats don't go in the water so sharks are a different environment, crocodiles live in a small portion of the country. A cat will hunt snakes, snakes will typically only defend, but not all snakes are poisonous and cats have been known to win against the poisonous ones. Wedge tailed eagles again are not everywhere and are mostly just scavengers. Emus are fucking idiots. When cats get out here they go feral and eat everything in the immediate area. The feral cats that have been feral for generations are significantly bigger and more aggressive than a house cat, and will actively attack sheep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (1 child) They are in New Zealand, where the problem is worse than in Australia. New Zealand has zero native land predators. There are some birds of prey that can hunt invasive stoats and rats, but cats are effectively uncontested (with the exception of humans performing population control). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* Fair enough, I should know better than to use absolute statements in nature and that does highlight the delicacy of small island ecology. (It's still true for Australia though which has enough dangerous animals for the domestic cat to be firmly a "mesopredator") permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago* (2 children) Nitpick, but cats aren't an "apex" predator in any environment. They are hunted by pretty much every carnivore at least as big as a coyote, including large birds of prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) They are apex predators in Australia. There are no large carnivors that take them out. Dingoes are not common, a cat would give a Goanna a run for its money, cats don't go in the water so sharks are a different environment, crocodiles live in a small portion of the country. A cat will hunt snakes, snakes will typically only defend, but not all snakes are poisonous and cats have been known to win against the poisonous ones. Wedge tailed eagles again are not everywhere and are mostly just scavengers. Emus are fucking idiots. When cats get out here they go feral and eat everything in the immediate area. The feral cats that have been feral for generations are significantly bigger and more aggressive than a house cat, and will actively attack sheep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (1 child) They are in New Zealand, where the problem is worse than in Australia. New Zealand has zero native land predators. There are some birds of prey that can hunt invasive stoats and rats, but cats are effectively uncontested (with the exception of humans performing population control). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* Fair enough, I should know better than to use absolute statements in nature and that does highlight the delicacy of small island ecology. (It's still true for Australia though which has enough dangerous animals for the domestic cat to be firmly a "mesopredator") permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) They are apex predators in Australia. There are no large carnivors that take them out. Dingoes are not common, a cat would give a Goanna a run for its money, cats don't go in the water so sharks are a different environment, crocodiles live in a small portion of the country. A cat will hunt snakes, snakes will typically only defend, but not all snakes are poisonous and cats have been known to win against the poisonous ones. Wedge tailed eagles again are not everywhere and are mostly just scavengers. Emus are fucking idiots. When cats get out here they go feral and eat everything in the immediate area. The feral cats that have been feral for generations are significantly bigger and more aggressive than a house cat, and will actively attack sheep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (1 child) They are in New Zealand, where the problem is worse than in Australia. New Zealand has zero native land predators. There are some birds of prey that can hunt invasive stoats and rats, but cats are effectively uncontested (with the exception of humans performing population control). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* Fair enough, I should know better than to use absolute statements in nature and that does highlight the delicacy of small island ecology. (It's still true for Australia though which has enough dangerous animals for the domestic cat to be firmly a "mesopredator") permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* Fair enough, I should know better than to use absolute statements in nature and that does highlight the delicacy of small island ecology. (It's still true for Australia though which has enough dangerous animals for the domestic cat to be firmly a "mesopredator") permalink fedilink source parent
[–] remon@ani.social 1 point 20 hours ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyall%27s_wren permalink fedilink source parent