grue comments on British man deported from Sweden despite living there since childhood

[–] grue@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago (25 children)

What a load of cope on The Gaurdian's part, trying to blame this shit on Sweden instead of the UK.

Examples:

The problem centres on the Migration Agency’s apparent refusal to allow late applications from people who were not aware they had to formally apply to remain post-Brexit – a process used in only 12 other EU countries.

Yeah, "only" more than a third of the total, so rare and weird!

But in the post-Brexit scenario in Sweden, deportations of Britons have been ordered even when no crime is involved.

As if Sweden shouldn't be allowed to do that, even though the UK insisted on being considered separate and foreign.

Part of the problem, he says, stems from the lack of communication to registered British people living in the country, causing missed deadline applications.

He said the Sellers’ case was “yet another example of systemic failings in Sweden’s implementation of the withdrawal agreement”.

Blaming Sweden for British immigrants' own failures.

Sucks for the individuals involved (which I sure hope voted against Brexit, as that's the only thing that stops it from being a !leopardsatemyface situation), but the UK is getting exactly what it demanded.

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[–] creamfresh@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

At the end of the day, your immigration policies suck when you can kick out someone who lived there for 24 years, fully integrated.

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[–] squidie@feddit.org 29 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

Well it actually starts before that, how can someone live in another country for 24 years and not claim citizenship?
And yes Brits living in another country should be able to read up on what they have to do after Brexit.
It's not like that Brexit never hit the media.

Why is everyone today calling for someone else to manage their own life?!
Get your shit together.

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You know that’s an interesting thought there. If you’ve lived in a certain place for at least 10 years, I almost think that you should be forced to renounce citizenship of your prior country and become a citizen there or you’re basically just a long term squatter.

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[–] matelt@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Long-term squatter here, applying for citizenship is expensive (almost 2 grand) and it's a bloody awful process. It involves taking a test that I'm sure the vast majority of actual citizens would fail. I'd rather put the money towards a house deposit.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I get that, but consider getting a house deposit requires paperwork and financial testing. Skipping or ignoring that paperwork may not serve getting a house deposit.

But it does seem like the person in the article did their paperwork and still ended up being rejected.

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[+] kuiskaaja@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 month ago

Then I’d argue you’re refusing to integrate and you shouldn’t be there. You’re talking about a house, which means even longer term roots. If you’re going to take advantage of their system, you should become willing to integrate.

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[–] creamfresh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They must have managed their life quite well considering they were no citizen.

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[–] urandom@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Can you truly be fully integrated, if you did not obtain citizenship?

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago

Well the UK left the EU so of course there are consequences. People should have paid more attention. Britain really just wanted to separate and not have any consequences.

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[+] Schmuppes@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Sweden shouldn’t be allowed to do that, just like Trump shouldn’t be allowed to remove people who’ve been living in the US for 24 years.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Unless The Guardian left some important details involving masked, armed thugs and concentration camps out of the article, what Sweden is doing is nothing like what Trump is doing.

And speaking of things left out of the article, it doesn't explain why his "three failed attempts to remain in the country" actually failed. It makes me wonder if there's a good reason for it that we're not being told. (And that, by the way, also sounds markedly different from the complete lack of due process currently happening in US immigration "courts.")

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[+] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works -7 points 1 month ago (10 children)

So wait, is he being kicked out because Britain voted for Brexit or because of something he did? You’re not even keeping your story straight. In the meantime that they’ve been there for a long time it’s literally the reason that we can’t give land back to the Palestinians or Georgia back to the Cherokees, so as a Native American I’m very interested in why it’s OK now. Kind of seems like this is just yet another instance of the people in charge getting to make the rules no matter what the morality is.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (9 children)

So wait, is he being kicked out because Britain voted for Brexit or because of something he did? You’re not even keeping your story straight.

What do you mean, "my story?" I'm not The Guardian! They're the ones claiming he's being kicked out because of Brexit while leaving out the reasons why Swedish immigration authorities ruled against him three times.

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[+] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works -12 points 1 month ago (8 children)

You literally called it a leopards eating faces situation and said that the UK was getting what they demanded.

The point is they ruled against him 3 times after he had been living there for over two decades.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

You literally called it a leopards eating faces situation

If he didn't oppose Brexit.

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[+] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works -8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

If brexit doesn’t have anything to do with it then why does that matter?

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Do you just lack reading comprehension skills or something? Why do you keep assuming random shit I didn't say?

Of fucking course Brexit has something to do with it; it's why he doesn't have an automatic right to live in Sweden indefinitely. But that is not the same as being the reason his non-automatic application to stay failed three times. Clear now?

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[+] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works -8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I don’t know why you’re so desperate to keep changing the topic, I’m just trying to keep it on what I was originally saying and you’re not so I’m done.

The bottom line for me here is that he shouldn’t have been kicked out regardless, after 24 years no matter what he did he should’ve gone through the Swedish penal system or something like that. Or it’s totally OK to kick people out after they’ve lived there for most of all of their lives and we should stop using that excuse in the other places.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don’t know why you’re so desperate to keep changing the topic, I’m just trying to keep it on what I was originally saying and you’re not so I’m done.

I am sick and tired of your ridiculous false accusations.

Here's what you actually wrote:

Sweden shouldn’t be allowed to do that, just like Trump shouldn’t be allowed to remove people who’ve been living in the US for 24 years.

I replied to the second half of that, the bullshit comparison between Sweden and Trump. You then posted a series of confused objections to things I didn't claim while insinuating bad faith on my part, but at no point were we ever talking about the thing you apparently think we were talking about!

Don't pretend "just like Trump" wasn't your topic.

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[+] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works -9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wow, you went way out of your way to come up with a completely different understanding of what I said.

You were the only one who has tried to compare the method of removal, I’m still talking about the act of removing.

I’ll type it slower this time so you really get it: people shouldn’t be able to be removed from the places they’ve lived for most or all of their lives. Regardless of where that is or who’s removing them. It doesn’t matter what the reasons or method are it always results in pain and suffering.

Seriously, stop trying to act like you changing the subject is me changing the subject or me reiterating my point multiple different ways it somehow me not saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.

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