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[–] 206 points 5 days ago (6 children)

“Quantum sensors can sense the tiniest of changes in the gravity or magnetic field and use a previously prepared map of these properties to determine their location. Since a quantum sensor does not need to receive or send a signal to an external device, it cannot be hacked or be spoofed by a fake incoming signal either. “ Very cool!

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  • [–] 91 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    *Cant be Non-magnetically hacked

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  • [–] 40 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Cue magnetic mines, but where are you getting the gravitic mines from?

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  • [–] 37 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    If it works off tiny changes in gravity, a really big rock would work.

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  • [–] 65 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Our mission is to sneak this Ayers rock under the boat without being detected. In and out. 45 minutes tops.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago*

    I don't think it's realistically possible to do that totally undetected. Since the earth's magnetic field is so weak and field strength goes down rapidly as distance increases, malicious actors probably couldn't spoof patterns well enough to make the data look real, at least not without coming very close and staying near their target.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Don't these fields fluctuate in some currently not understood way?

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  • [–] 48 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Yes, constantly. The prepared map becomes less accurate over time.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    So you constantly need updated maps. Reminds me of celestial navigation where you always need an up-to-date almanac.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    But how do you get your position to update your map? Oh... GPS will work!

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    What? You just download a new map for the area you want to go to every year or so, no need for GPS

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure you got me. How do the map makers update the map? If the gravity variance changes so it can't be used to determine your position then clearly you need some other way to determine your position to update the gravity map. And what might that be??

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Using the same reference points on earth that GPS uses, that doesn't mean using GPS.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Two issues I have with the presentation:

    A magnetic field is an external signal - the Earth's magnetic field is actually incredibly weak...

    10x better performance than GNSS ... positioning accuracy of 1 nautical mile. Cheap old school handheld GPS out in the woods was accurate better than 10 feet most of the time, so what in this performance is 10x better? 10x more resistant to jamming? Seems like it should be completely impervious to jamming. 1 nm accuracy is useful, but hardly better performance.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Its better performance than existing non-gps systems - not better than GPS. For ships , being within 1nm after thousands of miles of travel is really well performing. Obvious the real play here is weaponry though, since GPS isnt reliable in warfare and on-board sensors can do the detail work of target identification once in an area, the hard part is a way for them to self navigate accurately over long distances without GPS.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    The realer play is submarines. You don't get any satellite signal at all underwater. Before this it was only INS or dead reckoning.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I suspect submarines can also use bottom facing radar to track features on the sea floor. But tracking the gravity should be even better.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Radar is radio, just like most satellites. It doesn't do well through water. And that would require emissions, which submarines like to avoid.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    I'm guessing they meant sonar instead. AFAIK active sonar does work really well, but is rarely used since it reveals your location twice as far as you're able to detect others. Not to mention the horrible effects on wildlife - the sound waves carry so much energy that a point-blank hit is somewhere between "lethal & untreatable" and "turned into red mist".

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    GPS is vulnerable to various attacks.

    It's unclear what the capabilities are, but there IS a Russian satellite that HAS jammed GPS for almost a whole hemisphere. It's operated several times for a couple seconds over these past few years.

    Veritassium did a great presentation on how we know this.

    https://youtu.be/tz23G_UXCGA

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Why do we expect this quantum map of gravity and magnetic fields to be permanent?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Why do you think they expect it to be permanent? We survey all kinds of stuff like this all the time.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Geography and celestial maps are permanent (mostly).

    The next question is, how long until a quantum measured map becomes unrecognised? Is the half life years or hours?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    There's literally whole projects to map out movements of continents and the change of the geoid shape of earth, although it takes a few years for it to matter in most cases

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    Unless there is volcanic activity, geography can be considered permanent within a lifetime. Given the accuracy this technology claims, I suspect the lifespan is very short lived.

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