▲ 124 ▼ Copyrightability of LLM-generated code: Can we license “vibe code” into Free Software? (fsfe.org) submitted 6 days ago by ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world to c/programming@programming.dev 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Like licensing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Right but why would we want to license vibecoded slop? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Irrelevant question. For licensing and copyright questions, quality of code is not important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 point 5 days ago See Microsoft and Google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) Why would we want to license vibecoded slop code built with a system that is (in most cases) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all You answered your own question. I don't know what you try to say, but the article and our discussion is explaining if and why licensing code that is vibe coded is possible or makes sense at all. And you point the problem out that this is problematic and probably not possible in good faith. So its not about what we want, but about if and what is possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago Indeed, though I was just rephrasing the question from the person you were replying to. Responded to the wrong comment, apologies. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago (1 child) No, like banning LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (1 child) You do live in reality, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (1 child) Ah yes, the reality that consists in giving up on all proper solutions out of being "down to earth", effectively solving nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) The proper not possible solution... Sure... People like you are the reason I gave up on the things getting better. What you people propose has nothing to do with how the world works we live in. It's all based on how the world should work. Good luck with banning llms, seems realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Yeah, I forgot how easy it is to hide datacenters and massive data collection. Really, really hard to enforce, huh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Derg@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) You can, as of this very moment, download a 16 GB LLM and run it on your local computer. Or any bigger version, if you happen to have a beefy computer. LLMs are software. Good luck banning software. This is the internet. ALSO, even if you do happen to be able to ban AI training facilities and such in the U.S., and those models become outdated, you can even go download some Chinese models too! They are not going away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago What the fuck are you talking about? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 child) Right but why would we want to license vibecoded slop? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Irrelevant question. For licensing and copyright questions, quality of code is not important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 point 5 days ago See Microsoft and Google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) Why would we want to license vibecoded slop code built with a system that is (in most cases) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all You answered your own question. I don't know what you try to say, but the article and our discussion is explaining if and why licensing code that is vibe coded is possible or makes sense at all. And you point the problem out that this is problematic and probably not possible in good faith. So its not about what we want, but about if and what is possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago Indeed, though I was just rephrasing the question from the person you were replying to. Responded to the wrong comment, apologies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Irrelevant question. For licensing and copyright questions, quality of code is not important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 point 5 days ago See Microsoft and Google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) Why would we want to license vibecoded slop code built with a system that is (in most cases) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all You answered your own question. I don't know what you try to say, but the article and our discussion is explaining if and why licensing code that is vibe coded is possible or makes sense at all. And you point the problem out that this is problematic and probably not possible in good faith. So its not about what we want, but about if and what is possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago Indeed, though I was just rephrasing the question from the person you were replying to. Responded to the wrong comment, apologies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Senal@programming.dev 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) Why would we want to license vibecoded slop code built with a system that is (in most cases) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all You answered your own question. I don't know what you try to say, but the article and our discussion is explaining if and why licensing code that is vibe coded is possible or makes sense at all. And you point the problem out that this is problematic and probably not possible in good faith. So its not about what we want, but about if and what is possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago Indeed, though I was just rephrasing the question from the person you were replying to. Responded to the wrong comment, apologies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 days ago (1 child) probably and admittedly actively using data from sources with incompatible licences or no licences at all You answered your own question. I don't know what you try to say, but the article and our discussion is explaining if and why licensing code that is vibe coded is possible or makes sense at all. And you point the problem out that this is problematic and probably not possible in good faith. So its not about what we want, but about if and what is possible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago Indeed, though I was just rephrasing the question from the person you were replying to. Responded to the wrong comment, apologies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago Indeed, though I was just rephrasing the question from the person you were replying to. Responded to the wrong comment, apologies. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -5 points 5 days ago (1 child) No, like banning LLMs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (1 child) You do live in reality, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (1 child) Ah yes, the reality that consists in giving up on all proper solutions out of being "down to earth", effectively solving nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) The proper not possible solution... Sure... People like you are the reason I gave up on the things getting better. What you people propose has nothing to do with how the world works we live in. It's all based on how the world should work. Good luck with banning llms, seems realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Yeah, I forgot how easy it is to hide datacenters and massive data collection. Really, really hard to enforce, huh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Derg@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) You can, as of this very moment, download a 16 GB LLM and run it on your local computer. Or any bigger version, if you happen to have a beefy computer. LLMs are software. Good luck banning software. This is the internet. ALSO, even if you do happen to be able to ban AI training facilities and such in the U.S., and those models become outdated, you can even go download some Chinese models too! They are not going away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago What the fuck are you talking about? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (1 child) You do live in reality, do you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (1 child) Ah yes, the reality that consists in giving up on all proper solutions out of being "down to earth", effectively solving nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) The proper not possible solution... Sure... People like you are the reason I gave up on the things getting better. What you people propose has nothing to do with how the world works we live in. It's all based on how the world should work. Good luck with banning llms, seems realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Yeah, I forgot how easy it is to hide datacenters and massive data collection. Really, really hard to enforce, huh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Derg@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) You can, as of this very moment, download a 16 GB LLM and run it on your local computer. Or any bigger version, if you happen to have a beefy computer. LLMs are software. Good luck banning software. This is the internet. ALSO, even if you do happen to be able to ban AI training facilities and such in the U.S., and those models become outdated, you can even go download some Chinese models too! They are not going away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago What the fuck are you talking about? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -3 points 5 days ago (1 child) Ah yes, the reality that consists in giving up on all proper solutions out of being "down to earth", effectively solving nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) The proper not possible solution... Sure... People like you are the reason I gave up on the things getting better. What you people propose has nothing to do with how the world works we live in. It's all based on how the world should work. Good luck with banning llms, seems realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Yeah, I forgot how easy it is to hide datacenters and massive data collection. Really, really hard to enforce, huh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Derg@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) You can, as of this very moment, download a 16 GB LLM and run it on your local computer. Or any bigger version, if you happen to have a beefy computer. LLMs are software. Good luck banning software. This is the internet. ALSO, even if you do happen to be able to ban AI training facilities and such in the U.S., and those models become outdated, you can even go download some Chinese models too! They are not going away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago What the fuck are you talking about? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) The proper not possible solution... Sure... People like you are the reason I gave up on the things getting better. What you people propose has nothing to do with how the world works we live in. It's all based on how the world should work. Good luck with banning llms, seems realistic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Yeah, I forgot how easy it is to hide datacenters and massive data collection. Really, really hard to enforce, huh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Derg@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) You can, as of this very moment, download a 16 GB LLM and run it on your local computer. Or any bigger version, if you happen to have a beefy computer. LLMs are software. Good luck banning software. This is the internet. ALSO, even if you do happen to be able to ban AI training facilities and such in the U.S., and those models become outdated, you can even go download some Chinese models too! They are not going away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago What the fuck are you talking about? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago (2 children) Yeah, I forgot how easy it is to hide datacenters and massive data collection. Really, really hard to enforce, huh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Derg@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) You can, as of this very moment, download a 16 GB LLM and run it on your local computer. Or any bigger version, if you happen to have a beefy computer. LLMs are software. Good luck banning software. This is the internet. ALSO, even if you do happen to be able to ban AI training facilities and such in the U.S., and those models become outdated, you can even go download some Chinese models too! They are not going away. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago What the fuck are you talking about? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Derg@programming.dev 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) You can, as of this very moment, download a 16 GB LLM and run it on your local computer. Or any bigger version, if you happen to have a beefy computer. LLMs are software. Good luck banning software. This is the internet. ALSO, even if you do happen to be able to ban AI training facilities and such in the U.S., and those models become outdated, you can even go download some Chinese models too! They are not going away. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago What the fuck are you talking about? 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent