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[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) It squares because the Constitution is supposed to be the supreme law of the land. The people currently occupying these offices come and go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) I'm not american so I think you might need to explain like I'm 5 if you are willing. The oath is to protect the country against enemies (domestic and foreign) and obey the president and the chain of command. I read that as the president and chain of command are identifying the enemies and the military is to carry out those orders. I feel like I'm not understanding what everyone else is seeing. In what situation would individual soldiers decide that other government employees are the enemy unless they receive these orders? I guess I'm not expecting the current admin to say ICE and DHS are enemies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* I mean I don't think this is a universally American belief, but my point is that they're pledging their oath to the Constitution and the office of the presidency, but also swearing to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Basically the office is what you're swearing an oath to, the person holding that office is only there temporarily and that person can make themselves an enemy of both the title they hold and the Constitution that rules over all (or is supposed to in a sane world). Think of it like when you have a substitute teacher or temporary manager, you're not going to hold them in as high of a regard as someone who's permanently holding that title or role because they're just the current placeholder who will be gone before long much like Trump. And even if people in the military hold similar beliefs, they're not necessarily protected if they act on it because as our current president shows on a daily basis, the law only has teeth if the people in power want it to, so while someone may think they're acting within the bounds of the law, there's nothing to stop a corrupt, criminal administration from throwing the book at them anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) I'm not american so I think you might need to explain like I'm 5 if you are willing. The oath is to protect the country against enemies (domestic and foreign) and obey the president and the chain of command. I read that as the president and chain of command are identifying the enemies and the military is to carry out those orders. I feel like I'm not understanding what everyone else is seeing. In what situation would individual soldiers decide that other government employees are the enemy unless they receive these orders? I guess I'm not expecting the current admin to say ICE and DHS are enemies? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* I mean I don't think this is a universally American belief, but my point is that they're pledging their oath to the Constitution and the office of the presidency, but also swearing to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Basically the office is what you're swearing an oath to, the person holding that office is only there temporarily and that person can make themselves an enemy of both the title they hold and the Constitution that rules over all (or is supposed to in a sane world). Think of it like when you have a substitute teacher or temporary manager, you're not going to hold them in as high of a regard as someone who's permanently holding that title or role because they're just the current placeholder who will be gone before long much like Trump. And even if people in the military hold similar beliefs, they're not necessarily protected if they act on it because as our current president shows on a daily basis, the law only has teeth if the people in power want it to, so while someone may think they're acting within the bounds of the law, there's nothing to stop a corrupt, criminal administration from throwing the book at them anyway. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago* I mean I don't think this is a universally American belief, but my point is that they're pledging their oath to the Constitution and the office of the presidency, but also swearing to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Basically the office is what you're swearing an oath to, the person holding that office is only there temporarily and that person can make themselves an enemy of both the title they hold and the Constitution that rules over all (or is supposed to in a sane world). Think of it like when you have a substitute teacher or temporary manager, you're not going to hold them in as high of a regard as someone who's permanently holding that title or role because they're just the current placeholder who will be gone before long much like Trump. And even if people in the military hold similar beliefs, they're not necessarily protected if they act on it because as our current president shows on a daily basis, the law only has teeth if the people in power want it to, so while someone may think they're acting within the bounds of the law, there's nothing to stop a corrupt, criminal administration from throwing the book at them anyway. permalink fedilink source parent