Summoning a contested symbol that TERFs have used in the past and putting the trans colors on it, putting it in the hands of the trans woman character who exists so you can pat yourself on the back for being inclusive, is - what is the "positive representation of inclusion", here, exactly? Where does its power come from? It's trans liberalism. It's the language of somebody who wants to include a TERF symbol, is fully aware of its history, and decides to hand it to One Of The Good Ones in order to demonstrate - what? That makes it worse.

my opinion is that i'm sick of symbol discourse and I'm sick of the whole concept of like, okay, some white supremacists went 👌 or something so now 👌 is for nazis forever now, like, I think we have more important things to worry about than having a constant rolling and expanding encyclopedia of dog whistles to keep track of and also permanently edify in our culture and language as belonging to bigoted shitheads forever (so that, like The Dunk Tank, some nerd 100 or 2000 years from now will go "UM AKSHUALLY 👌 IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST SYMBOL" no matter how far removed from any of the current modern shit that led to that association it ends up being). I think it yields an incredible amount of cultural influence to bigoted shitheads because it seems incredibly easy for literally anything to be taken and used this way.

but as long as we're here worrying about symbols and other nonsense shit IMO the logic of taking the battle axe thing (whatever a labrys is, sounds french) and putting it in the hands of a trans character as a way of taking it back from TERFism totally makes sense. i'm not going to argue it isn't lib shit but like i get the logic

the problem is it sounds like they entirely fucked up her character and, in doing so, fucked it all up so bad that it honestly looks like they were doing TERF stuff on purpose (going entirely on your description of the character because my exposure to this movie is literally contained to the posts in this thread, so idk anything about her)

IIRC she's a drag queen and the plot makes it explicitly clear she's not a woman

i think you're confusing her and Blade (who is a drag queen voiced by Kween Kong). i don't remember anything iffy about Queen Leanne but it's been a while

I'm glad a nameless trans woman got a paycheck out of it, at least

sorry didn't mean to not mention her. Jordan Raskopoulos is a semi-well-known comedian in Australia

Any story about trans women that trans women don't have complete creative control from start to finish is liable to wind up being eye-wateringly transmisogynistic

i do agree, i thought it was okay when i first watched it but they could have very easily avoided including the sus shit if they had given it some extra thought. it just didn't feel intentional to me and this one just felt like it got a kinda unfair critical lens put on it compared to a lot of other similar media. also i've seen multiple reviews claiming that the drag queen character is the only "trans" representation in the movie when that's not the case

I'm not interested in hearing about how it's fine actually you're just overreacting

dw i don't think you are at all. in the end, they knowingly put something in the movie that they knew had TERFy vibes when they could have just used a sword for the sword lesbians lol

vexillology should be banned I'm so tired of seeing serious arguments had over flags