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[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 5 points 17 hours ago (5 children) It's a tool, use it where it works and don't where it doesn't. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [β] rtxn@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago* (3 children) That saying (or, dare I say, thought-terminating clichΓ©) glosses over the consideration of risks and costs that result from its uncritical usage. No sane person should trust it without serious reservations just because it fits the purpose, and that's true whether or not it bears the latest combination of letters peddled by tech bros. It's a dangerous, irresponsible mentality. It's a tool the same way a sledgehammer made out of plutonium is a tool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (1 child) Plutonium sledgehammer sounds fucking awesome though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children) Pretty effective because of its high density, too. It's a shame it's brittle and would give you heavy metal poisoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 child) As ways to die go that also sounds pretty rad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frosch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) Oh, that would be rad alright permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 point 9 hours ago Unless you pick a particularly short-lived isotope, the radiation wouldn't have time to hurt you before you died of regular heavy metal poisoning like you'd get from something boring like lead or mercury. permalink fedilink source parent [β] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago π€ permalink fedilink source parent [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago I mean in an old nuclear bomb that's pretty much the situation. Use a conventional explosive to slam some plutonium like a sledgehammer and nukes have proven to be a strong deterrent when a country had them. Still a tool with a use case permalink fedilink source parent [β] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org -2 points 17 hours ago Your comment is a sweeping statement that is thought terminating itself. No sane person should trust it without serious reservations just because it fits the purpose Using a tool for something itβs intended for automatically involves some thought process. And this thought process also involves its limitations and potential for danger. Your criticism stems from your dislike for AI and your opinion that itβs generally not useful. An opinion that is shared widely here, but with little to no proof at all. permalink fedilink source parent [β] one_old_coder@piefed.social 3 points 13 hours ago And then your boss says: "Use it for everything or you're fired. Why are you using less tokens than anyone else? You must be more productive or else..." permalink fedilink source parent [β] xyguy@startrek.website 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children) People probably say that about asbestos too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago And they'd be right permalink fedilink source parent [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Of course, it still has uses. Just not in home insulation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago Your comment is so fit for purpose, displaying such a massive willful ignorance about the world in general. Because the biggest problem with asbestos wasn't using it for home insulation. It killed millions of workers in manufacturing plants and mines. Its biggest industrial use case was for electrical insulation of high voltage transmission lines. Where it also killed hundreds of thousands of technicians in the us alone. Before that it was used for lamp wicks. Where it killed at least a couple of millions more over a century. Today, asbestos kills 250 thousand people a year, 12 to 15 thousand in the us every year. I supposed any tool can be considered useful if you're ignorant enough about it or if you're willing to lie without remorse. permalink fedilink source parent [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) Na, fuck that shit. Just don't use it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Why? Do you have that feeling towards other algorithms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 hours ago Yes I do π permalink fedilink source parent [β] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago Pmuch this. How do they feel about machine language translations? It's been "AI" (ML model) since the late 90's. Traffic prediction? Medical scan data processing? And so so many more specific uses of ML models that have been a part of daily life for literal decades. Call out LLMs specifically. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Ooops@feddit.org 5 points 17 hours ago (1 child) Itβs a tool, use it where it works and donβt where it doesnβt. But that doesn't work with the people creating AI as they are totally dependent on the believe that AI can do absolutely everything (and an artificial general intelligence is just moments away...) to justify they insane investments. So they will make up a million stupid narratives why some people are "actually" not using AI as it obviously can't be because of AI shortcomings... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 child) If the tool don't work then don't use it. I wouldn't try to unscrew something with chopsticks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ooops@feddit.org 1 point 13 hours ago You are probably also one of those insane ideologues that refuse to hammer in a screw for some reason, although you know how well that hammer worked on nails... π permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rtxn@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago* (3 children) That saying (or, dare I say, thought-terminating clichΓ©) glosses over the consideration of risks and costs that result from its uncritical usage. No sane person should trust it without serious reservations just because it fits the purpose, and that's true whether or not it bears the latest combination of letters peddled by tech bros. It's a dangerous, irresponsible mentality. It's a tool the same way a sledgehammer made out of plutonium is a tool. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (1 child) Plutonium sledgehammer sounds fucking awesome though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children) Pretty effective because of its high density, too. It's a shame it's brittle and would give you heavy metal poisoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 child) As ways to die go that also sounds pretty rad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frosch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) Oh, that would be rad alright permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 point 9 hours ago Unless you pick a particularly short-lived isotope, the radiation wouldn't have time to hurt you before you died of regular heavy metal poisoning like you'd get from something boring like lead or mercury. permalink fedilink source parent [β] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago π€ permalink fedilink source parent [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago I mean in an old nuclear bomb that's pretty much the situation. Use a conventional explosive to slam some plutonium like a sledgehammer and nukes have proven to be a strong deterrent when a country had them. Still a tool with a use case permalink fedilink source parent [β] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org -2 points 17 hours ago Your comment is a sweeping statement that is thought terminating itself. No sane person should trust it without serious reservations just because it fits the purpose Using a tool for something itβs intended for automatically involves some thought process. And this thought process also involves its limitations and potential for danger. Your criticism stems from your dislike for AI and your opinion that itβs generally not useful. An opinion that is shared widely here, but with little to no proof at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (1 child) Plutonium sledgehammer sounds fucking awesome though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children) Pretty effective because of its high density, too. It's a shame it's brittle and would give you heavy metal poisoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 child) As ways to die go that also sounds pretty rad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frosch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) Oh, that would be rad alright permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 point 9 hours ago Unless you pick a particularly short-lived isotope, the radiation wouldn't have time to hurt you before you died of regular heavy metal poisoning like you'd get from something boring like lead or mercury. permalink fedilink source parent [β] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago π€ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (2 children) Pretty effective because of its high density, too. It's a shame it's brittle and would give you heavy metal poisoning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 child) As ways to die go that also sounds pretty rad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frosch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) Oh, that would be rad alright permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 point 9 hours ago Unless you pick a particularly short-lived isotope, the radiation wouldn't have time to hurt you before you died of regular heavy metal poisoning like you'd get from something boring like lead or mercury. permalink fedilink source parent [β] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago π€ permalink fedilink source parent
[β] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 child) As ways to die go that also sounds pretty rad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] frosch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) Oh, that would be rad alright permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 point 9 hours ago Unless you pick a particularly short-lived isotope, the radiation wouldn't have time to hurt you before you died of regular heavy metal poisoning like you'd get from something boring like lead or mercury. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] frosch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 child) Oh, that would be rad alright permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 point 9 hours ago Unless you pick a particularly short-lived isotope, the radiation wouldn't have time to hurt you before you died of regular heavy metal poisoning like you'd get from something boring like lead or mercury. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 point 9 hours ago Unless you pick a particularly short-lived isotope, the radiation wouldn't have time to hurt you before you died of regular heavy metal poisoning like you'd get from something boring like lead or mercury. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago I mean in an old nuclear bomb that's pretty much the situation. Use a conventional explosive to slam some plutonium like a sledgehammer and nukes have proven to be a strong deterrent when a country had them. Still a tool with a use case permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Franconian_Nomad@feddit.org -2 points 17 hours ago Your comment is a sweeping statement that is thought terminating itself. No sane person should trust it without serious reservations just because it fits the purpose Using a tool for something itβs intended for automatically involves some thought process. And this thought process also involves its limitations and potential for danger. Your criticism stems from your dislike for AI and your opinion that itβs generally not useful. An opinion that is shared widely here, but with little to no proof at all. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] one_old_coder@piefed.social 3 points 13 hours ago And then your boss says: "Use it for everything or you're fired. Why are you using less tokens than anyone else? You must be more productive or else..." permalink fedilink source parent
[β] xyguy@startrek.website 5 points 16 hours ago (2 children) People probably say that about asbestos too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago And they'd be right permalink fedilink source parent [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Of course, it still has uses. Just not in home insulation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago Your comment is so fit for purpose, displaying such a massive willful ignorance about the world in general. Because the biggest problem with asbestos wasn't using it for home insulation. It killed millions of workers in manufacturing plants and mines. Its biggest industrial use case was for electrical insulation of high voltage transmission lines. Where it also killed hundreds of thousands of technicians in the us alone. Before that it was used for lamp wicks. Where it killed at least a couple of millions more over a century. Today, asbestos kills 250 thousand people a year, 12 to 15 thousand in the us every year. I supposed any tool can be considered useful if you're ignorant enough about it or if you're willing to lie without remorse. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago And they'd be right permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 15 hours ago (1 child) Of course, it still has uses. Just not in home insulation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago Your comment is so fit for purpose, displaying such a massive willful ignorance about the world in general. Because the biggest problem with asbestos wasn't using it for home insulation. It killed millions of workers in manufacturing plants and mines. Its biggest industrial use case was for electrical insulation of high voltage transmission lines. Where it also killed hundreds of thousands of technicians in the us alone. Before that it was used for lamp wicks. Where it killed at least a couple of millions more over a century. Today, asbestos kills 250 thousand people a year, 12 to 15 thousand in the us every year. I supposed any tool can be considered useful if you're ignorant enough about it or if you're willing to lie without remorse. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago Your comment is so fit for purpose, displaying such a massive willful ignorance about the world in general. Because the biggest problem with asbestos wasn't using it for home insulation. It killed millions of workers in manufacturing plants and mines. Its biggest industrial use case was for electrical insulation of high voltage transmission lines. Where it also killed hundreds of thousands of technicians in the us alone. Before that it was used for lamp wicks. Where it killed at least a couple of millions more over a century. Today, asbestos kills 250 thousand people a year, 12 to 15 thousand in the us every year. I supposed any tool can be considered useful if you're ignorant enough about it or if you're willing to lie without remorse. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) Na, fuck that shit. Just don't use it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Why? Do you have that feeling towards other algorithms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 hours ago Yes I do π permalink fedilink source parent [β] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago Pmuch this. How do they feel about machine language translations? It's been "AI" (ML model) since the late 90's. Traffic prediction? Medical scan data processing? And so so many more specific uses of ML models that have been a part of daily life for literal decades. Call out LLMs specifically. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children) Why? Do you have that feeling towards other algorithms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 hours ago Yes I do π permalink fedilink source parent [β] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago Pmuch this. How do they feel about machine language translations? It's been "AI" (ML model) since the late 90's. Traffic prediction? Medical scan data processing? And so so many more specific uses of ML models that have been a part of daily life for literal decades. Call out LLMs specifically. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 hours ago Yes I do π permalink fedilink source parent
[β] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago Pmuch this. How do they feel about machine language translations? It's been "AI" (ML model) since the late 90's. Traffic prediction? Medical scan data processing? And so so many more specific uses of ML models that have been a part of daily life for literal decades. Call out LLMs specifically. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ooops@feddit.org 5 points 17 hours ago (1 child) Itβs a tool, use it where it works and donβt where it doesnβt. But that doesn't work with the people creating AI as they are totally dependent on the believe that AI can do absolutely everything (and an artificial general intelligence is just moments away...) to justify they insane investments. So they will make up a million stupid narratives why some people are "actually" not using AI as it obviously can't be because of AI shortcomings... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 child) If the tool don't work then don't use it. I wouldn't try to unscrew something with chopsticks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ooops@feddit.org 1 point 13 hours ago You are probably also one of those insane ideologues that refuse to hammer in a screw for some reason, although you know how well that hammer worked on nails... π permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 child) If the tool don't work then don't use it. I wouldn't try to unscrew something with chopsticks permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Ooops@feddit.org 1 point 13 hours ago You are probably also one of those insane ideologues that refuse to hammer in a screw for some reason, although you know how well that hammer worked on nails... π permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Ooops@feddit.org 1 point 13 hours ago You are probably also one of those insane ideologues that refuse to hammer in a screw for some reason, although you know how well that hammer worked on nails... π permalink fedilink source parent