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[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (2 children) Why? Do you have that feeling towards other algorithms? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) Yes I do π permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 child) Like which ones and why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago (1 child) Usually the ones that accelerate the destruction of our planet, perpetuate sexist and racist biases, pray opon the weaknesses of how our minds work, exploit the underprivileged, devalue humanity and artistry, are annoying and overhyped, I think you get the picture. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 child) So which algorithm is that? If you're hinting at manipulating the populace because in fact they are easily programmed via social network manipulation. Yeah anything done maliciously is of course bad but I think that comes down to the use of the tools and not the intrinsic nature of the tools themselves. Algorithms are just math, it's the will of the individuals wielding them that is corrupt and that seems to be your actual chief complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) I did not say that. You, like everyone else that says "its just a tool and technology is neutral", should read more books about ethics, politics and sociology. Everything we do is political. Nothing is "neutral". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (1 child) I'm not saying the use cases that some have chosen for certain tools is neutral. Their behavior is indeed bad and should be called out. Ai for instance is at it's core just a mathematical structure that has no intrinsic behavior, same for the concept of algorithms for social media or algorithms for drones or algorithms for the internet. Yeah some people use the internet to cause a lot of harm or even guide the outcomes of nations but is it the fault of html, CSS, and JavaScript? Not really. The problem is some companies, some people, some government officials and their choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent [β] douglasg14b@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 child) Pmuch this. How do they feel about machine language translations? It's been "AI" (ML model) since the late 90's. Traffic prediction? Medical scan data processing? And so so many more specific uses of ML models that have been a part of daily life for literal decades. Call out LLMs specifically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago Did we burn down that planet for that stuff? Exploit workers to do weather forcasting? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) Yes I do π permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 child) Like which ones and why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago (1 child) Usually the ones that accelerate the destruction of our planet, perpetuate sexist and racist biases, pray opon the weaknesses of how our minds work, exploit the underprivileged, devalue humanity and artistry, are annoying and overhyped, I think you get the picture. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 child) So which algorithm is that? If you're hinting at manipulating the populace because in fact they are easily programmed via social network manipulation. Yeah anything done maliciously is of course bad but I think that comes down to the use of the tools and not the intrinsic nature of the tools themselves. Algorithms are just math, it's the will of the individuals wielding them that is corrupt and that seems to be your actual chief complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) I did not say that. You, like everyone else that says "its just a tool and technology is neutral", should read more books about ethics, politics and sociology. Everything we do is political. Nothing is "neutral". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (1 child) I'm not saying the use cases that some have chosen for certain tools is neutral. Their behavior is indeed bad and should be called out. Ai for instance is at it's core just a mathematical structure that has no intrinsic behavior, same for the concept of algorithms for social media or algorithms for drones or algorithms for the internet. Yeah some people use the internet to cause a lot of harm or even guide the outcomes of nations but is it the fault of html, CSS, and JavaScript? Not really. The problem is some companies, some people, some government officials and their choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago (1 child) Like which ones and why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago (1 child) Usually the ones that accelerate the destruction of our planet, perpetuate sexist and racist biases, pray opon the weaknesses of how our minds work, exploit the underprivileged, devalue humanity and artistry, are annoying and overhyped, I think you get the picture. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 child) So which algorithm is that? If you're hinting at manipulating the populace because in fact they are easily programmed via social network manipulation. Yeah anything done maliciously is of course bad but I think that comes down to the use of the tools and not the intrinsic nature of the tools themselves. Algorithms are just math, it's the will of the individuals wielding them that is corrupt and that seems to be your actual chief complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) I did not say that. You, like everyone else that says "its just a tool and technology is neutral", should read more books about ethics, politics and sociology. Everything we do is political. Nothing is "neutral". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (1 child) I'm not saying the use cases that some have chosen for certain tools is neutral. Their behavior is indeed bad and should be called out. Ai for instance is at it's core just a mathematical structure that has no intrinsic behavior, same for the concept of algorithms for social media or algorithms for drones or algorithms for the internet. Yeah some people use the internet to cause a lot of harm or even guide the outcomes of nations but is it the fault of html, CSS, and JavaScript? Not really. The problem is some companies, some people, some government officials and their choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago (1 child) Usually the ones that accelerate the destruction of our planet, perpetuate sexist and racist biases, pray opon the weaknesses of how our minds work, exploit the underprivileged, devalue humanity and artistry, are annoying and overhyped, I think you get the picture. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 child) So which algorithm is that? If you're hinting at manipulating the populace because in fact they are easily programmed via social network manipulation. Yeah anything done maliciously is of course bad but I think that comes down to the use of the tools and not the intrinsic nature of the tools themselves. Algorithms are just math, it's the will of the individuals wielding them that is corrupt and that seems to be your actual chief complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) I did not say that. You, like everyone else that says "its just a tool and technology is neutral", should read more books about ethics, politics and sociology. Everything we do is political. Nothing is "neutral". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (1 child) I'm not saying the use cases that some have chosen for certain tools is neutral. Their behavior is indeed bad and should be called out. Ai for instance is at it's core just a mathematical structure that has no intrinsic behavior, same for the concept of algorithms for social media or algorithms for drones or algorithms for the internet. Yeah some people use the internet to cause a lot of harm or even guide the outcomes of nations but is it the fault of html, CSS, and JavaScript? Not really. The problem is some companies, some people, some government officials and their choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 child) So which algorithm is that? If you're hinting at manipulating the populace because in fact they are easily programmed via social network manipulation. Yeah anything done maliciously is of course bad but I think that comes down to the use of the tools and not the intrinsic nature of the tools themselves. Algorithms are just math, it's the will of the individuals wielding them that is corrupt and that seems to be your actual chief complaint. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) I did not say that. You, like everyone else that says "its just a tool and technology is neutral", should read more books about ethics, politics and sociology. Everything we do is political. Nothing is "neutral". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (1 child) I'm not saying the use cases that some have chosen for certain tools is neutral. Their behavior is indeed bad and should be called out. Ai for instance is at it's core just a mathematical structure that has no intrinsic behavior, same for the concept of algorithms for social media or algorithms for drones or algorithms for the internet. Yeah some people use the internet to cause a lot of harm or even guide the outcomes of nations but is it the fault of html, CSS, and JavaScript? Not really. The problem is some companies, some people, some government officials and their choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child) I did not say that. You, like everyone else that says "its just a tool and technology is neutral", should read more books about ethics, politics and sociology. Everything we do is political. Nothing is "neutral". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (1 child) I'm not saying the use cases that some have chosen for certain tools is neutral. Their behavior is indeed bad and should be called out. Ai for instance is at it's core just a mathematical structure that has no intrinsic behavior, same for the concept of algorithms for social media or algorithms for drones or algorithms for the internet. Yeah some people use the internet to cause a lot of harm or even guide the outcomes of nations but is it the fault of html, CSS, and JavaScript? Not really. The problem is some companies, some people, some government officials and their choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago* (1 child) I'm not saying the use cases that some have chosen for certain tools is neutral. Their behavior is indeed bad and should be called out. Ai for instance is at it's core just a mathematical structure that has no intrinsic behavior, same for the concept of algorithms for social media or algorithms for drones or algorithms for the internet. Yeah some people use the internet to cause a lot of harm or even guide the outcomes of nations but is it the fault of html, CSS, and JavaScript? Not really. The problem is some companies, some people, some government officials and their choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago (1 child) Firstly "AI" is a meaningless marketing term. And LLMs are fundamentally flawed. And especially anything by OpenAI/Anthropic/Meta/xAI should be avoided as they have shown zero regard for the actual negative impact of their products. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* Sure, you know the term existed long before it became a financial buzz word right? Anyways in which sense are LLMs or NNs fundamentally flawed? I still believe your chief complaint is about the actions of people and not some mathematical structure much in the same way arguments about engagement algorithms on social media platforms is more about people and their choices than C++ or a binary tree. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] douglasg14b@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 child) Pmuch this. How do they feel about machine language translations? It's been "AI" (ML model) since the late 90's. Traffic prediction? Medical scan data processing? And so so many more specific uses of ML models that have been a part of daily life for literal decades. Call out LLMs specifically. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago Did we burn down that planet for that stuff? Exploit workers to do weather forcasting? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] AudaciousArmadillo@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 point 5 hours ago Did we burn down that planet for that stuff? Exploit workers to do weather forcasting? permalink fedilink source parent
