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[–] 132 points 3 years ago (22 children)

Many European language versions of anime and games are being localized not by translating the original Japanese, but the English.

Lots of translators also seem to use Google or DeepL, which makes the issue even worse.

The English language version often don't even translate, they write their own version, calling it "creative liberty". This leads to a completely different version than what was intended, with others, such as the German or Spanish version, being even further from the original.

That's why claims of people of having "learnt Japanese from anime" are dubious in the best of cases.

Source: Am Japanese, working in game translation in Tokyo. I'm also trilingual, which makes it even worse to watch this. Ignorance is bliss.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    The flip side of this is the Samurai Pizza Cats, where they completely rewrote the dialogue to make the English version way more entertaining.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Well that just sucks. So if you’re a die hard fan of [anime name] and happen to be European how would you find something close to the source material?

    I noticed that “creative liberty” first with the Dragonball series. I grew up watching the dubbed versions then one day discovered a little import store that sold tapes of the series with the original dialogue subtitled into English. There were a noticeable amount of differences in the story and it was slightly mind blowing to me at the time.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

    It's not exactly what you're looking for but the website https://animelon.com lets you use English and Japanese subtitles at the same time. And you can look at definitions of individual words. It is probably only useful if you are beyond a beginner level though.

    I think using Japanese subtitles would be the way to go in general assuming you can read them but have trouble with listening.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    So I’m old as fuck… did the horriblesubs scene die? They were a bunch of die hard fans encoding subs with direct translations. I appreciated them so much for Knocking on Heavens Door and the complete Cowboy Bebop series 🥹

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Shout out to Banjo Kazooie, an older platformer from the Nintendo 64 game era, where the antagonist always speaks in silly rhymes. So the translators needed to translate and also make it rhyme while also keeping the context and humor intact. They took creative freedom of course because there simply isn't a good match but it actually enhances the game in a way. So if you played the game in French before and now switch to English you'll get a fresh set of jokes and rhymes.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Do you have any tips on learning languages?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    One of my friends who is really good at learning languages watches a lot of crappy daytime TV in the language they are trying to learn. He tells me that those shows present a lot of bullshit situations that you can understand with your eyes while you can try and put together with the dialog. I have heard of more then one person learning english by watching TV game shows

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    Printed comics (in native language are also really good), paticularly those aimed at a younger audience (think Walt Disney classics like Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck). The phrases are usually short and use everyday language. The graphical design (colors, postures, framing, fonts, panel alignment, etc) are all in support of conveying the action.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago
    1. Be very young
    2. Be so young that you don't understand you're learning a language, you're just making sounds with grandma
    3. Be exposed to unique sounds like the German "ü", the French "r" and the Dutch "ch" and try to imitate them when you're 3 years old and your brain, tongue and throat are still flexible

    If you've fucked up 1 to 3, plug away at it for a long time, then at some point, before you think you're ready, live somewhere where you'll have no choice but to use that language.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    This also applies to a lot of subtitling in general. Shows that are in a different language than English are usually first translated into English, and then that file is used as a template for the other languages it's translated into. It's easier and cheaper.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Proper translation is really, really hard, especially for something like Anime.

    Not only do you have to get across the same message in a language that works completely differently, you have to time what's being said so it matches the timing from the original language. And then there's the fact that there are many cultural differences. If you just translate the words, sometimes the meaning doesn't make sense to the new audience because what's happening relies on a cultural understanding that's different.

    Too much "creative liberty" is a problem, but it's just as bad to get rid of it entirely. That's why it's so refreshing when someone makes the effort to do it right. Doing it right is really hard and takes a long time. It's often a labor of love because doing it acceptably well is much faster and normally pays the same.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Absolutely. The problem arises when the source material then gets translated from English, which already suffers from losing nuances.

    It's also often debatable if something counts as liberty or is really a lazy shortcut, when it's clear that something could have been done in better ways.

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