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[–] 169 points 3 years ago (67 children)

Equating Israel to Judaism is such a stupid fucking idea.

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  • [–] 81 points 3 years ago (62 children)

    I'm really, really tired of immediately denouncing Israel half the time people find out I'm Jewish. I'm not a fucking Israeli.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 years ago (60 children)

    The Israeli government is really happy to rope you and all other Jewish people outside of Israel along though. And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (59 children)

    And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

    See? This is what I mean. If I just announced that I was Jewish to someone like you, you'd make me justify it by denouncing Israel. I shouldn't have to do that. It should not be assumed that just because I'm a Jew, I support Israel. Frankly, that's a form of racism.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 years ago (27 children)

    They're saying you should blame Israel for that, not random people trying to find out who's who

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (26 children)

    Why not blame both? Why should they be trying to find out who's who. If you found out someone was Turkish, would you immediately ask them if they supported Erdogan? If someone was Hungarian, would you try to find out if they supported Orban?

    I don't know if you're an American, but how would you like it if, every time you met a non-American, you would have to announce that you don't support Trump because they're trying to "find out who's who?"

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  • [–] 25 points 3 years ago

    how would you like it if, every time you met a non-American, you would have to announce that you don’t support Trump because they’re trying to “find out who’s who?”

    This is already the case.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (29 children)

    I dont mean you personally, but organizations that claim to represent the jewish people in various countries. For instance the American Jewish Committee that claims Jews critisizing Israel would be antisemites and tries to have the UN comittees dissolved that adress the human rights situation in Palestine. Or a bit larger but slightly more moderate the World Jewish Congress, that wants "to enhance solidarity among Jewish communities throughout the world and, recognizing the centrality of the State of Israel to contemporary Jewish identity, to strengthen the bonds of Jewish communities and Jews in the Diaspora with Israel"

    These organizations claim to represent Jewish people around the world and that they would be in favor of Israel and support Israel, especially in face of criticism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jewish_Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (28 children)

    Sure, and white supremacists claim to represent all white people. They don't and no one should assume that just because you're white, you're a white supremacist.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (27 children)

    Which i never did. You cannot deny the reality, that many Jewish people and organizations want to tie all Jewish people to Israel. It is the predominant view in the larger organizations, that are often recognized as spokespeople for the Jewish community in the respective country, continent or world.

    I also find it wrong, that Israel is claiming to be representative of the Jewish people as a whole and having a lot of organized support for it. The voices to the contrary need to organize and make themselves heard.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Nah, it a brilliant idea if you want to deflect criticism of Israel's right-wing government. What's stupid is believing it.

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