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Meta deletes Al Jazeera presenter’s profile after show criticising Israel (www.aljazeera.com)

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[–] [email protected] 192 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Al Jazeera Arabic presenter Tamer Almisshal has had his Facebook profile deleted by Meta 24 hours after the programme Tip of the Iceberg aired an investigation into Meta’s censorship of Palestinian content titled The Locked Space.

The programme’s investigation, which aired on Friday, included admissions by Eric Barbing, former head of Israel’s cybersecurity apparatus, about his organisation’s effort to track Palestinian content according to criteria that included “liking” a photo of a Palestinian killed by Israeli forces."

Deplatforming journalists, or anyone, is a terrible thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The jokes people made on Twitter saying "I'm probably gonna be put on a list for retweeting this/liking this" was actual reality on FB?!

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is a current problem with Twitter as well:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/08/twitter-saudi-arabia-human-rights-abuses

Saudi authorities illegally requesting data from Twitter / flipping twitter employees to figure out who is posting opposing views. Some of which lead to arrests, torture, imprisonment, and death sentences.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's reality on Twitter too. Their are whole industries tracking people and their ideologies and tying that to their identities. You just haven't pissed off the right group yet so you haven't found out which list you're on

[–] [email protected] 169 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Equating Israel to Judaism is such a stupid fucking idea.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm really, really tired of immediately denouncing Israel half the time people find out I'm Jewish. I'm not a fucking Israeli.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Israeli government is really happy to rope you and all other Jewish people outside of Israel along though. And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (32 children)

And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

See? This is what I mean. If I just announced that I was Jewish to someone like you, you'd make me justify it by denouncing Israel. I shouldn't have to do that. It should not be assumed that just because I'm a Jew, I support Israel. Frankly, that's a form of racism.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're saying you should blame Israel for that, not random people trying to find out who's who

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why not blame both? Why should they be trying to find out who's who. If you found out someone was Turkish, would you immediately ask them if they supported Erdogan? If someone was Hungarian, would you try to find out if they supported Orban?

I don't know if you're an American, but how would you like it if, every time you met a non-American, you would have to announce that you don't support Trump because they're trying to "find out who's who?"

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (19 children)

As an American, Trump is the first thing many of my European friends talk about

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

how would you like it if, every time you met a non-American, you would have to announce that you don’t support Trump because they’re trying to “find out who’s who?”

This is already the case.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Isn't that how it works anyway?

Person A: "I am a [whatever]"

Person B: "What do you think of [some thing about "whatever" I've recently seen on TV, and is possibly the only thing I know about it]?"

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

The Israeli government doesn't even represent all Israelis, let alone all Jews. Does represent the vast majority unfortunately

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The issue is that both antiseminites and Zionists do want Jewish to mean Israeli. Same with being Israeli doesn't mean your Jewish or a Zionist

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nah, it a brilliant idea if you want to deflect criticism of Israel's right-wing government. What's stupid is believing it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Oh, from that perspective is genius. But any moron that buys into it should be ridiculed

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[–] [email protected] 167 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Oof. I just want to say as a Jew that is constantly trying to dispel the myth of Jewish media conspiracies, Zuck really isn't doing us any favors here.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (5 children)

And not all Jewish people support Israel! I have to assume many understand what's going on and side with Palestine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (12 children)

What does "side with Palestine" mean? I side with the innocent people unjustly targeted in both Israel and Palestine, Israel has tolerated completely unjust treatment of Palestinians as well as done it as a state. But, groups like HAMAS also fire missiles at innocent civilians. Not to mention the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel. I'm not saying the Israeli government is innocent, it's not, but it's more complicated than just "siding with Palestine" being the right answer.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the many nations that have tried to unprovoked invade Israel

If we go far back in the history of the land... that list goes all the way to the paleolithic, and includes Israel itself. Some call it the "promised land", "holy land", and stuff like that, but in practice it looks more like the "cursed land".

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I've been to Jewish gatherings where they had duplicates of some food products because half of them insisted on eating an Israeli brand and half of them refused to.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He's and asshole regardless of his lineage, not because of it. Just so you know someone else out here has a little grounding in reality.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, though unfortunately it's not people like yourself (who understand such things) that worry me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

i still wait for the day when i can criticize the state of israel and some of it's policies without getting branded as an antisemite.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And those of us Jews who don't support the state of Israel can't wait for the day we stop getting tied to it just because we're Jews. So there's problems both ways.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, not so much a conspiracy, but Israel is employing social media propaganda, similiar to the infamous russian "troll factories". It was often very well noticeable on reddit, as sometimes two different accounts posted the exact same comment with pro Israeli talking points. Their main target is facebook and other large plattforms though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Any sources on any of that?

I often saw this parroted on Reddit, though without sources. What I didn’t see, is what you described as “very well noticeable” - and I used Reddit a lot.

Anytime I look up this stuff I can only find relevant information from obscure websites which don’t list any sources. This honestly does seem like a conspiracy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Some 180 students from Israel and overseas studying at an academic institution in Herzliya, in central Israel, are working from morning to night to monitor and foil fake news and anti-Israel propaganda on social networks and to advance the country’s point of view amid the conflict with Hamas and other Gaza terror groups, the school said.

Students in Israel are to form government-funded "covert units" to defend the country on Facebook and Twitter, it's reported.

Israel Making Positive Strides in Uphill Battle on the Information Front

team of Israeli contractors who claim to have manipulated more than 30 elections around the world using hacking, sabotage and automated disinformation on social media has been exposed in a new investigation.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Meta are acting as an international agency curtailing journal8sm as it suits them. Using Meta "logic", they'd need to do the same for the Ukranian reporters, which we also would never condone.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Can people actually criticise Israel and get away with it? Hasn't been the case for the past decade or even more. This is hardly news.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’ve found that you definitely can outside of the US. Growing up in Australia I was always taught the ‘both sides’ argument regarding Israel/Palestine, and I’ve literally never met a person who didn’t support a two-state solution. A Jewish family I grew up with were notoriously anti-Israel, specifically because Israel has given them bad names by committing atrocities in response to other atrocities. You might find a few right wing nutjobs that refuse to allow criticism of Israel, but generally they’re the ones that are ostracised by the majority.

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