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It only counts when I say it does (thelemmy.club)
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[–] -3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

with russians who would influence the future

Sent there by a Georgian. Unless people want to end Communism, what does it matter if there are resettled people? The party had to create work for everybody. The EU has free movement. It will end the same way, only that there will be an elite that owns everything but doesn't share.

is just like what the israelies are doing in the west bank with their “settlers”.

I have read about resettlements gone wrong but has the USSR resettled people without offering new land?

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    It "had to create work for everybody"? By deporting native people from their land and replacing them with russians? That sounds normal to you?

    Without offering new land? russia straight up stole the land from these people and gave them to russians in the name of their fake communism which just meant shipping resources to moscow as the expense of the countries they illegally occupied.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    By deporting native people from their land and replacing them with russians?

    Was it entire people or just the elite?

    which just meant shipping resources to moscow as the expense of the countries they illegally occupied.

    Do you have numbers? I have seen numbers that like before the war, Russia exported oil for cheap. The fewer resources compared to today were caused by the smaller economy.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 child)

    Here's just Estonia: SOVIET REPRESSION AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES IN ESTONIA

    Before Soviet occupation:

    Population of Estonia: ~1.13 million

    Ethnic Estonians: ~1.0 million (~88%)

    Ethnic Russians: ~90,000 (~8%)

    Soviet repression:

    People deported from Estonia: ~50,000

    June 1941 mass deportation: ~10,000

    March 1949 mass deportation: ~20,000–21,000

    Men forcibly mobilized and transported into the USSR in 1941: ~32,000–34,000

    People murdered, imprisoned, or deported by the Soviet regime: more than 75,000

    Identified victims who were killed or died in imprisonment/forced resettlement and never returned: more than 22,000

    By 1989, near the end of Soviet occupation:

    Population of Estonia: ~1.57 million

    Ethnic Estonians: ~963,000 (61.5%)

    Ethnic Russians: ~475,000 (~30%)

    Ukrainians: ~48,000

    Belarusians: ~28,000

    Demographic change:

    Ethnic Russian population increased from ~90,000 to ~475,000

    Net increase in ethnic Russian population: ~385,000

    Estonian share of the population fell from ~88% to 61.5%

    Despite nearly 50 years passing, there were slightly fewer ethnic Estonians living in Estonia in 1989 than before Soviet occupation.

    This isn't some Russo phobia or anti communism thing. What they have done is fucking awful and anyone who spews some bullshit about NATO expanding and threatening russia can go fuck themselves. Russia represents an existential threat to its neighbors and it has no one to blame for that sentiment besides itself.

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  • [–] -2 points 5 days ago* (1 child)

    I asked for numbers about:

    which just meant shipping resources to moscow

    What your numbers don't show is the class war. The people who were deported, were they part of the elite or regular citizens?

    It also seems like the migrants are not only Russians:

    mobilized mostly among Russians, as well as other parts of the Soviet Union.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Estonia

    What I don't understand is the logic of the resettlement. Most migrants are in one county close to Russia. That's only a bit more helpful to influence the population than having them live across the border in Russia.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Glad you're focused on how they shipped more resources to moscow and leningrad instead of the human impact. Tells a lot about you.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Don't bother with him.

    He's so deep into the Authoritarian/tankie rabbithole, that he hasn't realised he turned into a fascist imperialist by pleading that countries shouldn't have sovereignty and that the forceful relocation of a peoples against their will is a good thing.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    I didn't, but you haven't continued that part:

    Was it entire people or just the elite?

    Btw, your human impact argument is almost entirely about the racial purity of Estonia. I think you don't see the danger of that. The capitalistic elite uses that identity to let the workers fight against Communism and now Russia. Once control is established, wages will be reduced as you can see in Germany after reunification. You can't rely on trickle down economics. On top, within the EU, Estonian companies may not even be owned by Estonians.

    Then Estonians will not be able to afford children and the companies will seek migrant workers, as you can see in other parts of the EU.

    Look at the elections of South American governments and the US prison population or US health care. That's the final development you are rooting for.

    That doesn't mean that we should bring back the USSR or hand over Europe to Putin. Just make sure that your aversion of Russia isn't used against you.

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