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horseshoe theory (?) (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I'm not a tankie I just find the content there more interesting than whatever bullshit PR puff pieces get posted elsewhere. Do you want to engage with what I said on a factual basis or is your max level ad hominem? The marketing industry literally evolved out of Freud's psychoanalysis work as applied to US propaganda in the 2nd world war by his nephew Edward Bernays who then needed something else to apply it to after the war finished. American propaganda is so pervasive it's fucking depressing. You go to Europe it's there slapping you in the face. You go to South East Asia and it's there again. I have never seen any NK propaganda outside what I see on Youtube.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Are the NK people free to watch whatever media they want? If not, they're by definition more controlled by propaganda than the US. I haven't seen a video ad in years. I watch leftist media. If I'm able to avoid right wing propaganda and the NKs are not, that's a problem.

    I'm not denying that the US has a massive propaganda problem. But comparing it to a closed state-run internet and media environment is just silly.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    You're not seeing this clearly. NK propaganda is so primitive they need to restrict the media people can consume. US propaganda mechanisms are so advanced and sophisticated that they can create the illusion of choice and the majority fall for it. There are so many avenues and strategies. The Koreans can't compete. North Korea has a GDP of $34B. US marketing industry is nearly 18 times bigger than the whole of the NK economy. Do you understand what that means? They have to use crude methods because they can't afford sophisticated ones.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'd still say NK has more propaganda "per capita" (whether in a monetary sense or not), just because of their closed media. But I don't actually care about propaganda as the main focus of the issue anyway. US has a propaganda problem, NK has a dictator problem. If you're not a tankie that's great and all but propaganda or not most of them on here portray NK as a great place to be and that's what's fucked.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Ye NK is not for me but we are world's apart on this topic. It's hard for me to articulate how propagandized the US is and how you are demonstrating that by thinking that NK is more propaganized. That very notion itself is proof of my observation but I realise this is not an argument that will cut through the noise for you and demonstrating this will be too time consuming so instead of arguing I would just invite you to think about your life journey until now, your education, the pledge of allegiance, the idea of the free market you grew up with and how that maps to ever growing wealth inequality, how health insurance is tied to employment, the endless support for war from both parties, the fact there are only 2 parties and this is somehow the pinnacle of democracy, the fact that no matter who you vote in they just do whatever capital tells them to do etc etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Again, propaganda is not the central issue for me here. But do you seriously think that an entire country that isn't allowed to access outside media isn't completely controlled by propaganda? Most of the US falls for it and that's a problem, but we can still see outside perspectives. I was fortunate enough to go to top schools and I don't even live in the US anymore. I was raised religious and said the pledge in school and all that like you said, but all that is completely obvious propaganda to me at this point, meaning I managed to escape it. What percentage of NK people can do the same? It's literally illegal to have SK media in the dictatorship, let alone leave the country. If 2 parties don't make a democracy how much worse is it to have one "party", ie family?

    I'm not sure what you're trying to argue at this point. I've repeatedly said US has tons of propaganda. I don't think the US is a great place and it's obviously falling further into fascism every day. I guess what it comes down to in this comparison of only 2 countries is which one would you want to live in? When I was first having this argument with tankies a few years ago Demented Don wasn't yet back in office, so the comparison was even more stark.

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