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[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) If we do not shake the establishment to its core, nothing will actually change. How many times have Democrats held power and refused to act boldly? I'm done. I will continue to vote for fresh ideas and people who act with integrity and transparency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago How many times have Democrats held power Rarely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) Because of the senate setup, very rarely have they controlled all 3 let alone with enough to be filibuster proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) You aren't wrong, but not putting something on the table because it won't pass is weak IMO. It's saying that it's not worth mentioning because it can't pass on this moment, which is essentially saying we didn't want to rock the boat. Dems have become the party of compliance. They are too afraid of losing votes they don't even have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) No its not worth losing over and over because then it does look like a witch hunt if it's failing constantly It's better to take the house and senate and then impeach. Remember he was impeached twice already and nothing happened because they didn't have the votes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago And I don't think they would have the votes with 53 seats in the Senate with the current class of boot lickers who are more afraid to lose 5 votes than to rock the boat a bit and gain 15 permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) They can end the filibuster at anytime. That’s a bullshit cop out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Sure, and when Republicans win again like they have for the last decade what happens when they have absolutely zero power then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then Dems try and actually win elections and doing real thing when Dems do win. It’s convenient they never can actually do anything when they do get into power except help corporations and wealthy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) They do a of of good things but its much easier to break than fix, especially if you don't care about breaking laws like the current admin. But please continue your both sides bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago There was no both sides there. Only a well thought out condemnation of establishment Democrats who are too weak and way too enriched. And test they do good things occasionally. They act as a barrier to some of the worst things the others try to do. But they don't break shit. You said it, it's a lot easier to break than to fix. And if we get over trying to fix everything and start building in the ruins instead of trying to put Humpty back together, we just might achieve modern progress. Stop thinking that everything must be a certain way, start asking what it could be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago How many times have Democrats held power Rarely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) Because of the senate setup, very rarely have they controlled all 3 let alone with enough to be filibuster proof permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) You aren't wrong, but not putting something on the table because it won't pass is weak IMO. It's saying that it's not worth mentioning because it can't pass on this moment, which is essentially saying we didn't want to rock the boat. Dems have become the party of compliance. They are too afraid of losing votes they don't even have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) No its not worth losing over and over because then it does look like a witch hunt if it's failing constantly It's better to take the house and senate and then impeach. Remember he was impeached twice already and nothing happened because they didn't have the votes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago And I don't think they would have the votes with 53 seats in the Senate with the current class of boot lickers who are more afraid to lose 5 votes than to rock the boat a bit and gain 15 permalink fedilink source parent [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) They can end the filibuster at anytime. That’s a bullshit cop out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Sure, and when Republicans win again like they have for the last decade what happens when they have absolutely zero power then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then Dems try and actually win elections and doing real thing when Dems do win. It’s convenient they never can actually do anything when they do get into power except help corporations and wealthy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) They do a of of good things but its much easier to break than fix, especially if you don't care about breaking laws like the current admin. But please continue your both sides bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago There was no both sides there. Only a well thought out condemnation of establishment Democrats who are too weak and way too enriched. And test they do good things occasionally. They act as a barrier to some of the worst things the others try to do. But they don't break shit. You said it, it's a lot easier to break than to fix. And if we get over trying to fix everything and start building in the ruins instead of trying to put Humpty back together, we just might achieve modern progress. Stop thinking that everything must be a certain way, start asking what it could be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) You aren't wrong, but not putting something on the table because it won't pass is weak IMO. It's saying that it's not worth mentioning because it can't pass on this moment, which is essentially saying we didn't want to rock the boat. Dems have become the party of compliance. They are too afraid of losing votes they don't even have. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) No its not worth losing over and over because then it does look like a witch hunt if it's failing constantly It's better to take the house and senate and then impeach. Remember he was impeached twice already and nothing happened because they didn't have the votes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago And I don't think they would have the votes with 53 seats in the Senate with the current class of boot lickers who are more afraid to lose 5 votes than to rock the boat a bit and gain 15 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) No its not worth losing over and over because then it does look like a witch hunt if it's failing constantly It's better to take the house and senate and then impeach. Remember he was impeached twice already and nothing happened because they didn't have the votes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago And I don't think they would have the votes with 53 seats in the Senate with the current class of boot lickers who are more afraid to lose 5 votes than to rock the boat a bit and gain 15 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago And I don't think they would have the votes with 53 seats in the Senate with the current class of boot lickers who are more afraid to lose 5 votes than to rock the boat a bit and gain 15 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) They can end the filibuster at anytime. That’s a bullshit cop out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Sure, and when Republicans win again like they have for the last decade what happens when they have absolutely zero power then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then Dems try and actually win elections and doing real thing when Dems do win. It’s convenient they never can actually do anything when they do get into power except help corporations and wealthy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) They do a of of good things but its much easier to break than fix, especially if you don't care about breaking laws like the current admin. But please continue your both sides bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago There was no both sides there. Only a well thought out condemnation of establishment Democrats who are too weak and way too enriched. And test they do good things occasionally. They act as a barrier to some of the worst things the others try to do. But they don't break shit. You said it, it's a lot easier to break than to fix. And if we get over trying to fix everything and start building in the ruins instead of trying to put Humpty back together, we just might achieve modern progress. Stop thinking that everything must be a certain way, start asking what it could be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Sure, and when Republicans win again like they have for the last decade what happens when they have absolutely zero power then? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then Dems try and actually win elections and doing real thing when Dems do win. It’s convenient they never can actually do anything when they do get into power except help corporations and wealthy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) They do a of of good things but its much easier to break than fix, especially if you don't care about breaking laws like the current admin. But please continue your both sides bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago There was no both sides there. Only a well thought out condemnation of establishment Democrats who are too weak and way too enriched. And test they do good things occasionally. They act as a barrier to some of the worst things the others try to do. But they don't break shit. You said it, it's a lot easier to break than to fix. And if we get over trying to fix everything and start building in the ruins instead of trying to put Humpty back together, we just might achieve modern progress. Stop thinking that everything must be a certain way, start asking what it could be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Then Dems try and actually win elections and doing real thing when Dems do win. It’s convenient they never can actually do anything when they do get into power except help corporations and wealthy permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) They do a of of good things but its much easier to break than fix, especially if you don't care about breaking laws like the current admin. But please continue your both sides bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago There was no both sides there. Only a well thought out condemnation of establishment Democrats who are too weak and way too enriched. And test they do good things occasionally. They act as a barrier to some of the worst things the others try to do. But they don't break shit. You said it, it's a lot easier to break than to fix. And if we get over trying to fix everything and start building in the ruins instead of trying to put Humpty back together, we just might achieve modern progress. Stop thinking that everything must be a certain way, start asking what it could be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) They do a of of good things but its much easier to break than fix, especially if you don't care about breaking laws like the current admin. But please continue your both sides bullshit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago There was no both sides there. Only a well thought out condemnation of establishment Democrats who are too weak and way too enriched. And test they do good things occasionally. They act as a barrier to some of the worst things the others try to do. But they don't break shit. You said it, it's a lot easier to break than to fix. And if we get over trying to fix everything and start building in the ruins instead of trying to put Humpty back together, we just might achieve modern progress. Stop thinking that everything must be a certain way, start asking what it could be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago There was no both sides there. Only a well thought out condemnation of establishment Democrats who are too weak and way too enriched. And test they do good things occasionally. They act as a barrier to some of the worst things the others try to do. But they don't break shit. You said it, it's a lot easier to break than to fix. And if we get over trying to fix everything and start building in the ruins instead of trying to put Humpty back together, we just might achieve modern progress. Stop thinking that everything must be a certain way, start asking what it could be. permalink fedilink source parent