Railcar8095 comments on Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death

Zelensky dismisses compromise with Putin, pointing to Prigozhin’s death (www.cnn.com)

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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky has said the death of Yevgeny Prigozhin – the Russian mercenary leader whose plane crashed weeks after he led a mutiny against Moscow’s military leadership – shows what happens when people make deals with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

As Ukraine’s counteroffensive moves into a fourth month, with only modest gains to show so far, Zelensky told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria he rejected suggestions it was time to negotiate peace with the Kremlin.

“When you want to have a compromise or a dialogue with somebody, you cannot do it with a liar,” Volodymyr Zelensky said.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Quite dishonest to equate “not wanting Ukraine invaded by Russia” with being pro NATO.

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[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Quite dishonest to equate “not wanting Ukraine invaded by Russia” with being pro NATO.

Quite dishonest to equate "criticizing Zelensky and this US proxy war" with being tankie or russian terrorist.

That's crazy, the level of accusatory reversal.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

You might have mixed up something. Neither I or anybody on this direct thread said anything about terrorism or tankies. We didn't even mention zelensky.

Either you're the crazy one or you have been called those this enough time as to lose track.

BTW, it couldn't be a pretty war if, you know, Russia didn't start a war... small detail I know

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[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Neither I or anybody on this direct thread said anything about terrorism

just ctrl+f "terrorist"

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

You are the first one on this come thread. Other threads sure talk about that. But not this one. So yeah... double down in your mistakes, the Putin's way.

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[–] WuTang@lemmy.ninja 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

take it. You just demonstrated your dishonesty here. There's like at least, 10 occurences of this word in this thread.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago

Let's see. We have OP, then Veraticus, AnonymouseJoker, me and then you complaining.

Who said those things in that thread? You mean somebody else I'm a different thread of the same post said so? So what? What does that have to do with me then? Why I'm dishonest because somebody else I haven't even interacted with said something your dislike? Can I throw at you that some people are happy of the dead civilians? Those who want Russia to continue and take over all Europe? Can you grasp how silly that would be, and why it's stupid if you do it?

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[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago

As a clarification, since searching the page will give you the wrong idea, direct thread is referring to this direct chain of comments, not the whole post.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Please go ahead and tell yourself what it says and why that makes it ok to kill Ukrainian civilians.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

No. Just no. Russia is invading. You can't, in good faith, blame the invaded for the casualties. The same way you can't tell a woman that she got beaten because she refused to have sex.

I can understand it's not a black and white issue, but this is the laziest propaganda imaginable. You want to stop the casualties right now? Russia retreats to their territory at this very moment. It's that simple. Keep trying to invade the country won't reduce the casualties. Now you will take your whataboutism card to say it's your time to do some killing. Or say that US allying with Ukraine and Russia taking my force is basically the same.

You think the invasion is rightful so the deaths are in there fault of the defenders? Happy that Russia reports low civilian death ratio? Fantastic, you have now used the same argument that all other atrocities used. I'll also oppose the ones you oppose BTW not only the ones that fit my agenda.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

So Ukraine has to follow Russian bidding, or else... and whatever happens it's Ukraine's fault for not being obedient.

There you have it. Summarized for you.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Will Russia invade me if I don't?

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Good faith? From point one you have avoided to answer anything, and on order to not be "idiotic" I have to watch a 1 hour video that explains why aaaasaaacksually this invasion is good because Ukraine didn't sign Minsk pact, so of course Russia didn't have to follow Budapest's one. Brilliant.

Please think any atrocity and any war you think shouldn't have been started and there will be academic explanations as to why it's ok to start it.

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[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

Remind me again what did RAND Corp outline about US agenda against Russia in 2019 documents, or US ex-VP Dick Cheney tell us what NATO’s vision about Russia is (spoiler: balkanisation),

Dunno, but not really necessary to know about it when the statement being challenged is "not wanting Ukraine invaded by Russia".

how Biden, after pumping $40B into Ukraine, is asking for $60B more from GOP to use Ukraine as a condom to try fuck with Russia till the “last Ukrainian”, causing deaths of both Ukrainians and Russians

Don't really care about US but isn't your yearly military spending like 1Trillion? I looked it up and in 2016 the budget was $639.86B, while in 2023 seems to be $797.B, Accounting for inflation from 2016 to 2023 (Core inflation averaged 3.09% per year between 2016 and 2023 (vs all-CPI inflation of 3.52%), for an inflation total of 23.74%.) $639.86B then is $791,76B now, so accouting for inflation This year's military budget is not higher than the one in 2016. I picked that year because as an outsider I don't think the US was doing anything special by then, no covid no Ukraining war, nothing. So basically the US is not spending more than usual for the military, and although I think that's too much in general, blaming the war maybe isn't the best approach.

It took me 5 mins to find these numbers and do the math.

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

Who cares? Russia sucks. Remember when they were the bad guy in every movie and every American was anti-Russia? What the fuck happened to the GOP that they’re all sucking Russian dick now?

Putin is a wannabe dictator fucking with Europe, America, and Canada with troll farms while invading non-aggressive neighbours and should be crushed.

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[–] Stalins_Spoon@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 years ago

Yes, let’s all go back to the McCarthyist days where everyone was secretly a ebil commie, why don’t you go the frontlines and see how ‘enthusiastic’ the Ukrainian conscripts are about the war, if you hate Russia so much

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[–] shroobinator@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 years ago

The United States made Russia into what it is today. Yeltsin's campaign was heavily funded be the US under Clinton, and Putin was hand picked by Yeltsin as his successor.

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