Withdrawing troops, returning stolen land, children, prisoners and paying for damages.. thats all i would accept. Nothing less.

Russia is a terrorist country. Terrorists can't be negotiated with. #SlavaUkraini

Lol right? I mean why would literally anyone trust Putin at this point?

So from having had a few exchanges with pro Russian accounts on Lemmy (which seems to be infested with a few very active ones) this is a summary of their arguments:

• "Ukraine is Nazi"
• "Well far right parties got a total of under 6% of the vote, and they elected a Jewish man president"
• "yeah but Bandera and whatabout America"

• "Ukraine killed ethnic Russians"
• "A huge percentage of their population are ethnic Russians, including in government, and they are fine, and were until the Russian invasion. And now it's Russia that has killed, maimed and raped more ethnic Russians, including civilians, than Ukraine every did or even could. Including their own people thorough incompetence and corruption".
• "Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

• "Ukraine is fighting because they are forced to by their colonial masters, the USA and NATO, and Ukrainians will keep dying so long as they keep being armed"
• "Actually > 90% of the population wants to continue fighting for their country back, so what you're basically saying is you think Ukrainians should be abandoned to Russian enslavement"
• "Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

• "NATO and USA are colonialists and this is just more colonialism"
• "Actually both Russia and China are actual, bone fide land empires, with ethnic minorities that are forced to live like colonized people - including doing the fighting for Russia while their families back home live in misery and squalor and Putin's Mafia collect mansions, private jets and yachts"
• "Yeah but Bandera, and whatabout America"

Very true. Russia (well, putin) has shown over and over that he can't be trusted, he will stab you in the back and he will murder you.

Hell, the entire land grab from Ukraine was going against accords made where Russia promised to allow Ukraine to exist as a sovereign nation and Russia would get all their nukes. Russia got the nukes and theb went on to invade and steal Crimea and then to just drop all pretence and invade the entire Ukraine.

Just give some shitty transparent excuses, mumble something about non existent Nazis, and just steal lands.

So no, you can't make deals with Putin

However, Ukraine is in a tight spot. They still rely on the west (and mostly United States)for the Weapons and gear they use on the war. Russia has the Republican party in their pocket and if the Republican party (or worse trump) wins the election, they'll at the least stop all Help and likely hand the Ukraine to Russia on a silver platter.

This means they basically gotta gain as much as possible before the US elections, which is why they're grinding on so much without the proper air support they'll start having at the end of the year. It sucks, but it's the situation they're in.

It's impressive though to see how much they advance without air support. Slava Ukraine!

His plane "crashed"? You mean after it was shot with AA missiles right?

Ironically the CIA believes Putin killed Prigozhin to defuse tensions with NATO for exiling Wagner to Belarus.

Facts