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Fascist paramilitary thug threatens to arrest US citizen for exercising his 1st amendment rights (cdn.social.linux.pizza)
submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/50566589

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[–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ice is a fascist pos fake ass government organization that should be abolished and everyone who works for them should be put in jail.

I still wouldn't go around insulting guys with guns.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    There's nothing fake about it. This is your government. This is the shit they do. This organization has survived 3 democratic terms so clearly the Republicans aren't the entirety of the problem.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Nearly every nation has immigration control in some way, often with a dedicated service. The current administration has modified and abused an agency that already existed to give their "SS" false legitimacy.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    ICE was founded in 2003. The United States somehow managed to enforce immigration for over 200 years without it. It's always been abusive, including during Obama and bidens administrations. Those "kids in cages" photos that made the rounds during Trump's first term were taken during Obama's. Trump made it a Hallmark of his second term and poured a ton of funding into it but it was rotten long before that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    As you said, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was officially established in March 2003. The agency was created following the passage of the Homeland Security Act of 2002. It was created from merging prior organizations such as US customs.

    If you don't understand how difficult it would be for a president to undo such a sweeping change to government structure with limited congressional support, then you don't understand how the US government works, and this conversation is futile. The literal reason Trump us using ICE is because he can't make a new organization, so is utilizing one that already existed.

    I didn't like Obama's presidency, so I don't know what bringing him up means to you, but the new issue don't under trump was the purposeful separation of children from their parents, and separate deportations to keep them separate as a means of punishment.

    Honestly, what even is your point? That people were ok with it previously? Many weren't. That is hasn't gotten dramatically worse under Trump/Republicans? If so, fuck right on off.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    My point is that blaming Trump alone is giving him too much credit. trump is a symptom, not a cause. Removing him or riding him out isn't really going to change much. The two democratic president who've done nothing about ICE are proof of that. If trump can unilaterally increase ICEs funding then Obama could have unilaterally cut it if he'd been so inclined..

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