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[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 week ago

I support the people, not the sin

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

By calling it sin, you oppress the people.

Fuck you for choosing death.

How many more suicides do you think there will be this year alone?

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 week ago

How do you explain the resurrection of Christ?

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Very simple, there is no christ. Jesus died and we don't have his body. This is not uncommon for the time. Even if the story about the empty tomb is true, an empty tomb does not prove a resurrection.

"But there were hundreds of witnesses"... according to one witness. We don't have hundreds of accounts of the resurrection. We have a few, and they disagree with each other.

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 week ago

FACT 1: A Jewish Rabbi named Jesus of Nazareth was killed by crucifixion in the first century by Roman executioners.

FACT 2: Jesus’ followers had real experiences after Jesus’ death that they believed were appearances of Jesus, risen from the dead.

FACT 3: Jesus’ followers’ lives were transformed as a result of this belief—even to the point of being willing to die for their belief in His resurrection.

FACT 4: James and Paul – both enemies of Jesus’ message – came to believe in Jesus’ resurrection and became Christians as a result. Both claimed the reason was that Jesus spoke to them after His death.

FACT 5: Jesus was buried in a tomb in Jerusalem which was found empty shortly after His death.

these are a series of facts most historians agree with

The body being stolen and the disciples lying cannot be true due to facts 4, 2 and 3

hallucination theories are proven false due to fact 4 and 5

Jesus "didnt really die" theories are disproven due to fact 1 and 4

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

FACT 1: A Jewish Rabbi named Jesus of Nazareth was killed by crucifixion in the first century by Roman executioners.

Sure, I think something like this happened based on available evidence, though it is scant.

FACT 2: Jesus’ followers had real experiences after Jesus’ death that they believed were appearances of Jesus, risen from the dead.

This is not a fact. This is a claim made long after Jesus died. But maybe they believed magic happened, sure.

FACT 3: Jesus’ followers’ lives were transformed as a result of this belief—even to the point of being willing to die for their belief in His resurrection.

Some people flew planes into buildings, dying for their beliefs. Does that make them true?

What happened at Jonestown? Many more people died there, does that make it more true?

FACT 4: James and Paul – both enemies of Jesus’ message – came to believe in Jesus’ resurrection and became Christians as a result. Both claimed the reason was that Jesus spoke to them after His death.

Maybe they missed their pal and thought about him a lot.

FACT 5: Jesus was buried in a tomb in Jerusalem which was found empty shortly after His death.

Sure.

these are a series of facts most historians agree with

None of which suggest the existence of magic. Jesus was a cult leader, and his cult was repurposed to suit someone else's agenda.

The body being stolen and the disciples lying cannot be true due to facts 4, 2 and 3

Yes, both can still be true. People steal bodies, even shortly after death, especially if he was a popular or famous person. People cling to false beliefs even if it kills them, sometimes.

hallucination theories are proven false due to fact 4 and 5

No, still perfectly possible.

Jesus "didnt really die" theories are disproven due to fact 1 and 4

I find this one unlikely anyway, but it is possible he had a double killed in his place. I suspect he really did die. I have no reason to believe he or anyone else was resurrected after 3 days.

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. alright

  2. This is a fact

  3. He turned fishermen into scholars and philosophers and theologians. Their lives were radically transformed

  4. I'm not sure you get this. This is like Donald Trump waking up one day, disbanding ICE, apologizing for his actions, turning himself in for those crimes and putting welfare above warfare.

  5. Alright

  6. If Jesus and his followers were lying, James and Paul would've been the PERFECT semi-biased-against-them investigators. But they investigated and converted.

  7. If it was a hallucination, why would his tomb be empty and james and paul converted after investigation?

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

This is a fact

No, it is not. The fact is that they made a claim. What they claimed is evidently not factual.

He turned fishermen into scholars and philosophers and theologians. Their lives were radically transformed

They followed a cult leader and got themselves killed for false beliefs. You think that's a good outcome?

I'm not sure you get this. This is like Donald Trump waking up one day, disbanding ICE, apologizing for his actions, turning himself in for those crimes and putting welfare above warfare.

I'm not sure you get this. It doesn't matter how much people like a guy, that doesn't make him correct.

If Jesus and his followers were lying, James and Paul would've been the PERFECT semi-biased-against-them investigators. But they investigated and converted.

They were fooled like the others. Jesus's message was hypocritical, dangerous, and stupid, but he was evidently very persuasive.

If it was a hallucination, why would his tomb be empty and james and paul converted after investigation?

These are three separate things.

The tomb may not have been empty at all, we cannot verify historically. But if it was, I find it more likely that someone took the body than that a dead man came back to life after so much time.

Hallucinations may happen independently of whether the tomb was empty or not. Believers may have imagined Jesus, or dreamed about him, or hallucinated while on some kind of drug. It's also possible look-alikes claimed to be him, or (unlikely) Jesus faked his own death and appeared to them himself. It's also possible the claims are simply false, we have no way of verifying. I find all of these explanations more likely than a miraculous resurrection.

As for James and Paul, it only shows that they were convinced, not that the resurrection was true. And how do we know Jesus appeared to James? Because Paul said so? It's also worth noting that Paul's teachings deviate from and conflict with Jesus's. Whatever he saw, it likely was not the same character we read about in the gospels.

Paul's experience may be consistent with symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1032067/

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 week ago
  1. Their beliefs were not false.

  2. James and Paul were basically skipping to get a CHANCE at disproving Christianity and they converted after investigating

  3. His message was not even one of those things except dangerous (to the pharisees and rome). James and Paul converted after Jesus had been crucified, so how could they be convinced unless the risen Jesus came to them?

  4. 500 people hallucinated the same thing at once?

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Their beliefs were not false.

According to you. That's why I said "evidently". There is no evidence for those claims.

James and Paul were basically skipping to get a CHANCE at disproving Christianity and they converted after investigating

They were lied to like everyone else.

His message was not even one of those things except dangerous (to the pharisees and rome). James and Paul converted after Jesus had been crucified, so how could they be convinced unless the risen Jesus came to them?

Seizures. Liars. Some guy could have shown up and said "it's me, the risen Jesus. Here's how you can serve me going forward."

It is a dangerous message to all life because it is untrue. It's a death cult.

500 people hallucinated the same thing at once?

No. We don't have 500 eyewitness accounts. We have one guy (who made have had a medical problem) claiming there were 500 eyewitnesses. We don't even have James's account of seeing Jesus, do we?

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 week ago
  1. Source for the lying claim?
  2. So someone that looked identical to Jesus, with two men wearing pearly white sitting in his tomb and saying "he is not here, he is risen"

and why would Christ himself, if he was speaking falsehood, not say "I'm not God" before the pharisees and be pardoned? Why was he actually willing to endure inhumane torture instead of copping out?

  1. We do have 500 witnesses
[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Source for the lying claim?

Magic isn't real, dumbass dipshit.

Source for literally any miracle?

Source for literally any god?

Fucking none. Real people die for your false beliefs. FUCKFACE.

So someone that looked identical to Jesus

Maybe, or just close enough, or Paul imagined it, or Paul made it up.

with two men wearing pearly white sitting in his tomb and saying "he is not here, he is risen"

Zero evidence that this took place.

and why would Christ himself, if he was speaking falsehood

Fuckface: by proclaiming himself christ, he is speaking falsehood. But he might not realize that he is lying because he's fucking delusional.

not say "I'm not God" before the pharisees and be pardoned?

He was either huffing his own farts or trolling.

Why was he actually willing to endure inhumane torture instead of copping out?

Because he's an idiot who didn't think it would go that far.

Why did he say, "my god, why have you forsaken me" if it was part of his plan and also he was god?

We do have 500 witnesses

No we don't. We have Paul claiming there were 500 witnesses. Can you name 499 more?

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 week ago
  1. What about the other Gospels?

  2. The Bible/ witness accounts of the women

  3. He is not

  4. "Trolling" to bear inhumane torture?

  5. He could've copped out ANY moment if he was speaking falsehood. No one had an agreeing testimony and he couldve just said so

and to fulfill the Old Testament

[-] SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

What about the other Gospels?

They contradict each other.

The Bible/ witness accounts of the women

If the account is even true, they found an empty grave.

You want to pretend that them being women lends more credence because (quite sexistly) the opinions of women were not valued as much back then, but actually it just makes sense they would be first because women were responsible for tending graves.

He is not

You're just making shit up as it suits you.

Fuck yourself.

"Trolling" to bear inhumane torture?

No, dumb fuck. He was a short-sighted idiot high on his own farts.

He could've copped out ANY moment if he was speaking falsehood. No one had an agreeing testimony and he couldve just said so

Right, he was as dangerously delusional as you are.

and to fulfill the Old Testament

You keep saying that like it means anything. He's fulfilling slave rape?

It's all bullshit, you stupid coward.

A song for you. https://snoopsqueak.com/video/102

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 4 days ago

Also, the old testament is in preparation for Christ, and he fulfilled it when he came down and was crucified

[-] IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 0 points 4 days ago
  1. they do not

  2. Jesus revealed himself to be risen to Mary Magdelene, a woman first.

  3. Im really not

  4. He could've copped out any SECOND but he chose to bear the torture. No one had agreeing testimony against him and he couldve just walked out

[-] SnailMagnitude@mander.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

No one has any idea what the christos is, was, where it came from, where it went and what it all meant.

We don't know if the word was even flesh.

You can just read a little 66 book bible and pretend it's history.

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