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[–] 139 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I just wish people would stop acting like I am a "Doomer" over this shit.

Every year its record high summers and winters, tnado alley is moving, rain patterns are all fucked up, I am not even a professional and I can tell the extreme weather shifts from climate change are happening.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I've tried having this same conversation with my mum multiple times and she keeps saying that there has been no meaningful increase in temperatures in her lifetime and I'm just thinking what are you talking about?! I just don't understand what they stand to lose by admitting that humans have demonstrably increased the global temperatures.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago

    Some level of personal guilt for continuing to exist in a system where fossil fuels are burned on their behalf and we often need to burn them ourselves to live a nornal life because the alternatives may barely exist. For example see DEI bike lanes in the states and the banning of them in ontario in canada thus promoting more car use and discourage/making it more dangerous to bike.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    yeah, we didn't have fire season out here when i was growing up. we used to call it summer.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Europe somewhere? Like apparently Europe has California wildfires everywhere now. WTF.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    yeah those "california wildfires" didn't take over all of the pacific northwest for five months back when i was little. now they do. congratulations, Europe! all that coal and oil all y'all burned for your exclusive benefit, now you get the fires too!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    I think it's sunk cost. It's too late for them to admit that they were wrong because now it's too late to do anything. And admitting they were wrong this whole time would mean that there was time to do something and they squandered it to the detriment of not only their own descendants, but for literally every human on the planet.

    Their ego will not allow it.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Remember that the fossil fuel industry knew what was going to happen in the 1970s and lied to governments around the world to ensure our future of maximal fossil fuel burning and damn the consequences came to pass.

    We have words for people who betray their country, we have words for people who betray their family, we even have words for people who betray the firm they work for every day, but we have no words for people who betray their entire species.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    On top of that, there are systemic problems that allow the situation to escalate out of control. Why should I do this expensive thing while everyone else gets the cheap option? This sort of thinking applies to governments, companies and individuals alike. Nobody wants to contribute to fixing the problem, because it’s expensive.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My government will do nothing until most politicians dies in not one but multiple tornadoes hitting the parliament... in the same year..

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And then they would invest in better healthcare plans, and better security

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Why do they care about the Military Police?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    People aren’t good at long term thinking. They have a hard time conceptualizing that actions now affect the entire following century. Our actions build on each other a little at a time, and keep adding up to worse

    It urgent not because of what’s happening now, but what will continue to get worse. It’s urgent because we’re locking in climate change now

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Doomerism is giving up, not accepting the reality that things are bad and getting much worse.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I mean, maybe, except we are way way way past the point where we can fix this. Very large numbers of humans, will die, likely in the next 20 years. From famine and fighting caused by mass migration from now unlivable areas.

    Given our response level when we had time and resources and somewhat willing to work governments, vs now, its going to be a very large percentage, probably 100% within 40-50 years as it spirals and gets worse more and more rapidly.

    People got all pissy during COVID when things became hard to get from shipping delays and they couldn't go out to eat. Wait until things become hard to get because those things can no longer be manufactured and they can't go out to eat because there is no food.

    But hey, enough Doomer talk. Fidja see, Elon Musk isna Trillionaire! Everything is booming! MONEY!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    we are way way way past the point where we can fix this

    While it’s hard to make things better, it’s easy to make things worse. It can always get worse and giving up means it will

    It’s more important than ever to advocate for change. To do what you can, both personally and with whatever influence you have, either in your social circle or through your consumer practices, or voting.

    As a citizen of the US, we seem to be the main villain here. We are making some progress, maybe more than you’d think, but the denial, the politics, the spite and racism means we’re not getting as much done as we need to. A year ago we had corporations on board, we had half the stars on board, we had many major cities on board. Then we got run over by a giant coal rolling monument to excess that modern pickups are. Time to get up, dust ourselves off, and get things moving again

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Even if everyone on the planet agreed to go completely "green" or whatever, we are pretty much past the tipping point of no return I feel.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Depends on what you mean by tipping point and it’s an important distinction.

    You are right that we are not only stuck with climate change but have zoomed past the target that might have left reasonably adaptable changes. We’re leaving a real challenge for the next generation. But if that’s the result and civilization survives the resulting instability, the climate should recover for our great grandchildren.

    The bigger challenge is “tipping point”. I don’t know if that’s what you meant but there are a series of projected climatic tipping points that will not only make things markedly worse for humans but are permanent (on the scale of human civilization). I don’t believe we’re able to predict any with any accuracy but I recall a prediction that were already greater than 50% of having triggered at least one. These are things like AMOC collapse, melting of Greenland glaciers, melting west Antarctic ice shelf, etc

    We’ve seen in the news repeatedly this summer the Greenland ice sheet melting faster than ever, causing a slowdown of AMOC currents …. So they also build on each other and we don’t yet know whether/when the tipping point is locked in, when there’s no longer any hope of preventing it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    You are really misreading what Im saying. Im not saying things should go on as usual. Im saying we need to fight to salvage what we can.

    Your last paragraph is especially misrepresenting my point.

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