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So much for the "Woke" Spain World Cup discourse (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 29 points 1 month ago* (26 children)

A little tangential but it's kinda crazy how much anti-Argentina content there is right now. Doesn't feel very organic but I can't guess who would be pushing it, maybe Britain seizing a moment because Argentina being hated is beneficial to getting sympathy over the falklands?

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago* (9 children)

    I've noticed it too. I had practically avoided all online discussion pertaining to the World Cup until the final, so I was really taken aback by the amount of hate I saw. Not that they don't deserve it. I've even seen people say that Argentina is the Israel of Latin America. They're not wrong, but it's really surprising.

    I don't know if it's artificial though, because from what I can tell, both Argentinian players and fans have essentially been behaving like Pissraelis throughout the entire tournament. That doesn't exactly make you popular. It's been an endless torrent of playing dirty and being unprofessional, hurling slurs, being violent, etc. I saw videos of racist abuse against Ishowspeed, and he's a very popular streamer. He even refused to accept an autographed t-shirt from Messi's wife.

    To me it seemed like no one cared about the Falklands stuff except for British chuds who were seething when Argentinian players were holding up Malvinas signs to get a reaction out of them. That even pissed off Piss Morgan. peltier-laugh

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    There was no hate about them until the final. Before it was fine. It literally exploded afterwards.

    I think the malvinas sign might have sparked a response from either british intelligence or some right wing orgs.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    right wing orgs have spent years boosting argentina and framing stats to try and make milei look successful, i really don't get why they've changed tack during a world cup

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Anti-Latin American Racism and Xenophobia is very much popular in places like Spain and Portugal, as much as Right-Wing Argentinians will pretend and swear they are 100% Europeans, they'll still get treated like pure shit by Americans and Europeans.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    yeah, on reflection can definitely see how the spanish would take any opportunity to shit on argentina to drive/reestablish european supremacy (and portugal would do the same with brazil)

    just seems to conflict with the american project of boosting all the right wing south american states, which especially applied to argentina as they wanted to brute force the weird ancap pedo as successful by any means necessary

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Hmm, that's really strange then. If they really manufactured it this quickly, then it was frighteningly effective, I must say.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    Now that you mention the speed, it feels kind of similar to the speed and reaction of the far right to things like a knife attack by a brown person. Maybe it's their circles doing it. They would be particularly tuned in and invested in football culture too

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    There was lots of hate before the final. Every team they clinched a win over, plus anyone who watched those games. There was accusations of match fixing for Messi/Argentina since some of the first games. They had about 20 fouls per yellow card, meanwhile England and others had about 7 fouls per yellow. They are a team full of shitheads and they constantly get away with it. Enzo Fernandez is a proper arsehole. Even Martinez made a dick of himself last world cup when he posed with the world cup trophy as if it was his dick. Then in the final Parades gets into a fight after the whistle? It's absolute scumbaggery. No wonder everyone who watched the world cup hates them.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    It grew out of Black Twitter, Black Youtube and more prominently Black TikTok as a consequence of the explosion of racist content concerning Black players on FIFA teams

    It gained viral motion because of the factoid concerning Argentina genociding all its Black people and because of viral racist actions made by Argentina fans, also the fact there are no Black players on Messi's team, the fact Trump gave them 20 billion dollars, the blatant favoritism displayed by the refs, the fact Argentinians were waving Israeli flags.....

    I mean if Argentina was dedicated to generating an organic hate campaign against itself using the World Cup, they did everything possible to make it happen

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    It grew out of Black Twitter, Black Youtube and more prominently Black TikTok as a consequence of the explosion of racist content concerning Black players on FIFA teams

    It didn't start there though, other latin americans were already doing that on social media way before that.

    It gained viral motion because of the factoid concerning Argentina genociding all its Black people and because of viral racist actions made by Argentina fans, also the fact there are no Black players on Messi's team, the fact Trump gave them 20 billion dollars, the blatant favoritism displayed by the refs, the fact Argentinians were waving Israeli flags.....

    Yes. Though it wasn't just genociding all the black people as in they just killed them, after the 1860s and the fall of Juan Manuel de Rosas and the fall of the Federalists, the Unitarians inspired by the USA and Europe, actively erased the history, culture and contribution of Native Americans, Afro-Argentinians and Women from the country's history (same thing happened in Brazil and Uruguay).

    They also did a bunch of revisionism to make the country's first leaders way more racist than what they actually were (Argentina was initially supposed to be a Monarchy ruled by Native Americans, but the rich white buenos aires elite sabotaged that). Most Afro-Argentinians left the country for Brazil or other South American nations due to how bad the Unitarians made the whole country, just a few of them remained (around less than 1%, though it debatable how much people are descedent of Afro-Argentinians but won't admit it).

    Theres still a lot of refusal by even some leftists in Argentina (and tbh all of LatAm) to talk about this. Yes, LatAm is not as racist as the USA (we never had segregation for example) but some people just refuse to accept how we still have racism here. At least in more recent years people have been recognizing the contribution of Natives Americans and Afro-Latinos in out culture and history.

    I mean if Argentina was dedicated to generating an organic hate campaign against itself using the World Cup, they did everything possible to make it happen

    It was mostly organic IMO. But some Americans were actively attacking not just Argentinians but also Latin Americans as if we're just one country (???), honestly is pretty dumb and some people who know nothing about LatAm were sayings stuff that doesn't even make sense because they don't understand our history or how culture is here (also a bunch of asshole gusanos were being racist but thats expected from them, they think if they bootlick white people they'll be consider white).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It didn't start there though, other latin americans were already doing that on social media way before that.

    True, but it didn't gain any viral motion outside of Latam until Black Twitter and Black TikTok became aware of the racist crap coming from the Argentinian fans, particularly against iShowSpeed, the clips of him getting racially harassed over and over again by Argentines have blown up into the millions

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, I have seen those. It was multiple times, I remember one where one argentinian gusano said some slurs and that speed needs to "return to his country". I think Speed was with Ronaldo Nazáro (the famous Brazilian player) when they shouted that to him. It's really messed up how Fifa does nothing when this happens and it's always left to local police to prosecute people for racism (which does happen in LatAm but idk how it works in the US).

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The Argentine team has had a reputation of playing dirty through the years, but they outdid themselves in this year’s final. It was one of the ugliest games I have ever seen, and a lot of casual fans likely got very turned off by it. People who like entertaining sporting events, let alone people who like soccer, are infuriated.

    Combine that with how badly Egypt got screwed over by the referees when they played Argentina (and Argentina fans waved Israeli flags at Egypt’s team). And overall it looked like FIFA, who are corrupt but also outdid themselves this year, was favoring Argentina in the tournament. That pissed off fans of the sport.

    And combine that with public well wishes for the team from Netanyahu and Ben Gvir, which likely turned most of the world’s non-genocidal, casual fans against Argentina, and anyway, it’s organic. Media are following, not leading this one.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Most Latinos just wanted to make fun of Argentina and "support" Spain because of how unbearable it would be if Argentina won again. Most Right-Wing Argentinians like Milei hate football and probably doesn't even give a shit that Argentina lost. It doesn't help that out of nowhere Israel comes to support Argentina because they are buddies with Milel, most people in LatAm fucking hate Israel. Also a bunch of racist Argetinian assholes were attacking random African-American, African and Afro-Latino people by shouting slurs and dumb shit, they even attacked the Streamer Ishowspeed (it wasn't dumb sport thing, these people were just being racist).

    Doesn't feel very organic but I can't guess who would be pushing it, maybe Britain seizing a moment because Argentina being hated is beneficial to getting sympathy over the falklands?

    Afaik only Europeans (specially British People) give a shit about the Islands. Most of the Global South usually side with Argentina in this issue.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    i wonder how many brits actually care about the falklands outside of chuds? a coworker saying they'll watch england v argentina didn't mention the falklands once

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No one gives a shit. The only time it matters to anyone is when they want to bash the argies about it or when they're jacking themselves off about how "WE USED TO BE AN EMPIREEEEE RAAAAAAAAAGGHH" bullshit nationalism.

    The usual "but the islanders want to be british" argument comes out but nobody applies that consistently, if they did then they would say the same about Crimeans wanting to be Russian.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    arent most people on the islands of british descent anyways? no shit the people colonizing the land dont want to give it up

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    arent most people on the islands of british descent anyways?

    Afaik 90% British White, 5% Latin American (Mostly Argentina and some Chileans and Uruguayans), 5% Asians and 5% Africans. Theres only 3.500 people living there though.

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