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[–] 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

it’s trial and error all the way down

Oh God LD50 is the craziest thing ever.

Here's how it works:

Let's just assume dose-response is linear. So, go find what concentration of chemical X (medicine, food additive, cosmetic, whatever) kills 50% of the bacteria/rodent/etc population. Draw a line from there down to 0% dead at 0 concentration.

Now decide what % of deaths is acceptable, given the benefit of chemical X. Use the line we just drew and that tells you what the regulations should set for max concentration under as-directed usage.

This ignores facts like

  • response curves are very often literally curves, sometimes with more than 1 minimum
  • response curves (and lines!) often depend heavily on all sorts of other chemicals' presence in the environment, in varying mixtures & amounts

It's a combinatorial explosion we can never meaningfully test against. We do what we can, with the tools that we have.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Almost every signal response, and certainly in chemistry, is an S curve. A small span of that curve may be approximately linear, but you absolutely can not approximate the slope of that linear span by just the mid point.

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